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    So it seems I may have an opportunity to receive stem cell treatment in S. Korea at Dr. Kims Stem cell Clinic (http://www.kmhglobal.com/department/...em-cell-clinic) for my c4-c5 paralysis. Before I make a decision there are still more questions that need to be answered. I was curious if anyone has heard of this clinic and if they could offer any professional insight. We are having a phone conference meeting this Friday to get a little more information and clarity.

    Supposedly the Korean government will decide whether they will cover the cost of my flight and treatment at the end of this month as part of a documentary they are filming as a public relation with the US. I'm unsure of what to do but I think I'd be foolish not to, at the very least, listen to what they are talking about.
    Last edited by jaemc; 09-09-2017, 03:47 PM.

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    Originally posted by jaemc View Post
    So it seems I may have an opportunity to receive stem cell treatment in S. Korea at Dr. Kim?s Stem cell Clinic (http://www.kmhglobal.com/department/...em-cell-clinic) for my c4-c5 paralysis. Before I make a decision there are still more questions that need to be answered. I was curious if anyone has heard of this clinic and if they could offer any professional insight. We are having a phone conference meeting this Friday to get a little more information and clarity.

    Supposedly the Korean government will decide whether they will cover the cost of my flight and treatment at the end of this month as part of a documentary they are filming as a public relation with the US. I'm unsure of what to do but I think I'd be foolish not to, at the very least, listen to what they are talking about.
    Sorry, I am a skeptic on this one

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    • #3
      Originally posted by c473s View Post
      Sorry, I am a skeptic on this one
      As I mentioned. There are still questions that need to be answered, and asked. I am not agreeing to anything til I feel completely comfortable. Even making appointments with Johns Hopkins/Kennedy Krieger to ask former doctors I've seen there to get their opinion.

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      • #4
        What is the source of the stem cells? Are they injecting the stem cells into the injury site to maximize their ability to do something or are they doing hopeful lumbar puncture?
        Do note that Asterias OPC-1 aim to get two function level recovery when injected at the injury site within 1 month of injury.

        Dr Vaquero got sensory improvement of up to 14 levels when injecting bone-derived MSC along the injury site tract here.

        Have your tried 4-AP to see potential remyelination benefit as discussed here?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Pauly1 View Post
          What is the source of the stem cells? Are they injecting the stem cells into the injury site to maximize their ability to do something or are they doing hopeful lumbar puncture?
          Do note that Asterias OPC-1 aim to get two function level recovery when injected at the injury site within 1 month of injury.

          Dr Vaquero got sensory improvement of up to 14 levels when injecting bone-derived MSC along the injury site tract here.

          Have your tried 4-AP to see potential remyelination benefit as discussed here?
          We asked what specifically what the treatment would involve. They replied: Aspiration of Bone marrow and Injection of Stem cell therapy product into the Spinalcord. We also asked how many patients they've seen and what the results were. They've seen about 20 and improvements - Neuromere : Improvement of 2nd nerve.

          I have not tried 4-AP let alone even heard of it. Thank you for the link. I will be reading that later on.

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          • #6
            I can't find any in-depth information on the procedure and where the cells come from and such so I dunno... But interested in what they have to say about details when you talk to them
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            • #7
              oh aspiration of bone marrow... Still wanna hear more from your consultation. Good luck
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              • #8
                "injection of stemcell therapy into the spinal cord"... Thats a rather broad description... Do they mean lumbar puncture or into the injury site
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by lunasicc42 View Post
                  "injection of stemcell therapy into the spinal cord"... Thats a rather broad description... Do they mean lumbar puncture or into the injury site
                  I was assuming the injury site. I will make a note to ask about that.

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                  • #10
                    In my opinion, this hinges on whether this procedure is really associated with the Korean government. That would imply legitimacy at least, and possibly true innovation as their science and technology is cutting edge without question. But if the government claim is bogus or exaggerated (or can't be verified), then I would avoid and ignore them without regret.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by quadfather View Post
                      In my opinion, this hinges on whether this procedure is really associated with the Korean government. That would imply legitimacy at least, and possibly true innovation as their science and technology is cutting edge without question. But if the government claim is bogus or exaggerated (or can't be verified), then I would avoid and ignore them without regret.
                      The website noted in the OP is upfront about promoting medical tourism:

                      "Korea Medical Hub (KMH) is a multilingual web portal designed to provide a list of clinics and hospitals in Korea and information on facilities and medical services they offer for international patients coming to Korea for medical tourism
                      Korea Medical Hub (KMH) has been certified, appointed and awarded as the best medical facilitator by Korean Government. (2011~2014)"

                      The actual stem cell clinic website is here:

                      http://www.hskclinic.com/eng/index.html

                      They offer stem cell treatment for heart attacks, erectile dysfunction, joint pain, stroke, cosmetics and SCI.


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                      Last edited by 2drwhofans; 09-09-2017, 11:05 PM.

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                      • #12
                        jaemc, have a look starting at pg 24-30 of a Dr Wise Young document about stem cell injury site injection challenges. It gives specific details about injection depth, volume and even angle on either side of the injury site: /CellTranplantationVienna.pdf

                        Asterias' AST-OPC1 trials are injected on either side of the injury site *after* the dura has been cut and the cord exposed by a precise neurosurgeon. They are aiming for 2 levels recovery if performed within 1 month of injury. AST-OPC1 stem cells providing remyelination of injured axons.

                        In China, there are two places that do CT-guided stem cell injection on either side of the injury site. eg: Dr. Ahn, but they use that method for severe SCI.

                        I'm curious what new information Dr.Kim has about his MSC stem cell use for SCI other than very glossy brochures.

                        If you go ahead with it, please do a ASIA and modified Ashworth report before and after stem cell treatment so we know how much recovery you got via a scientific report.

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                        • #13
                          There was a paper last week or so that claimed injection near, but not at, the injury site was more effective.
                          T3 complete since Sept 2015.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 2drwhofans View Post
                            The website noted in the OP is upfront about promoting medical tourism:

                            "Korea Medical Hub (KMH) is a multilingual web portal designed to provide a list of clinics and hospitals in Korea and information on facilities and medical services they offer for international patients coming to Korea for medical tourism
                            Korea Medical Hub (KMH) has been certified, appointed and awarded as the best medical facilitator by Korean Government. (2011~2014)"

                            The actual stem cell clinic website is here:

                            http://www.hskclinic.com/eng/index.html

                            They offer stem cell treatment for heart attacks, erectile dysfunction, joint pain, stroke, cosmetics and SCI.


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                            This is from their website .. . . . it has a little of that used car salesman feel to it. How is storage customizable; does that mean in some cases a bucket or old mason jar will do fine?
                            I hope you do ask a lot of questions.


                            The stem cell banking is a biological insurance to store the young and healthy stem cells before you are struck with incurable disease. Our clinic will give you best customized way to store your stem cells through various disease prediction tests.
                            Advantages and needs
                            ? One stem cell can be harvested for multiple diseases from one location (Mesenchymal stem cells/For cancer immunotherapy)
                            ? It can be used as a treatment in a short time while being stored (Mesenchymal stem cells)
                            ? It prevents cases of impossibility in the future due to infectious diseases after the decision has been made.
                            ? Stem cells harvest while one is healthy provide with better chance due to their excellent activity and differentiation capacity.
                            Who needs to have their stem cells stored?
                            ? High risk group with family history
                            ? Those over 30s with higher rate of cardiovascular and cerebrovascular disease development
                            ? Those with hypertension/diabetes/high cholesterol/obesity
                            ? CEO and executives with higher rate of disease development due to stressful mental labor
                            ? Professional with economic ability with higher interest in health
                            please . . .test what you already know; and give us what you have. we may not be dying, but we certainly are not living either

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 2drwhofans View Post
                              The website noted in the OP is upfront about promoting medical tourism:

                              "Korea Medical Hub (KMH) is a multilingual web portal designed to provide a list of clinics and hospitals in Korea and information on facilities and medical services they offer for international patients coming to Korea for medical tourism
                              Korea Medical Hub (KMH) has been certified, appointed and awarded as the best medical facilitator by Korean Government. (2011~2014)"

                              The actual stem cell clinic website is here:

                              http://www.hskclinic.com/eng/index.html

                              They offer stem cell treatment for heart attacks, erectile dysfunction, joint pain, stroke, cosmetics and SCI.


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                              on the website provided it mentions that their parent company is Pharmicell, so me wonders if it's this: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/...rmicell&rank=6
                              "That's not smog! It's SMUG!! " - randy marsh, southpark

                              "what???? , you don't 'all' wear a poop sac?.... DAMNIT BONNIE, YOU LIED TO ME ABOUT THE POOP SAC!!!! "


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