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    #46
    I logged in just to post this. Yep, it was broadcast on cctv, which is government. its a pretty big deal out here right now...

    they got dogs to walk again, so its looking very very promising.

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      #47
      Anyone got any video links ? Imight?
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        #48
        Originally posted by Nowhere Man View Post
        a) where are the animal studies? No one has yet posted them, 4 pages in, and the article had no link to them.

        b) Y8225009 (est.) seems to know more about this trial than anyone else on this forum

        c) I am more interested in why no one else asked about animal studies besides Grammy, than I am about the actual animal studies.
        I cannot speak for others, but after 30+ years I have no time and no interest in reading through animal studies. I have been watching rats with restored function since the late 80?s / early 90?s; none of these studies have done a thing for anyone with SCI. I am only interested in human trials that show functional recovery. The article states they have had functional recover with this approach in rats and dogs. Fortunately we have you to analyze animal studies and tell the researchers when their results are good enough to move to human trials.
        Until they have conducted human trials we will not know if functional recovery will be gained in humans. What we do know is that if they don?t move human trials there is no human benefit. Do not get me wrong, I?m all for basic science, but until basic science moves to human trials it does no humanly good.

        Yes, Y8225009 seems pretty well dialed in. Thank you Y8225009!

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          #49
          Thanks James and Jyi for sharing, this sounds really good, ya it would be nice to see a video, i'll check out youtubeland or if anybody has a link to please post!
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            #50
            Link as posted in #10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE3R...ature=youtu.be

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              #51
              A different video of what exactly?
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                #52
                Originally posted by NWC4 View Post
                I cannot speak for others, but after 30+ years I have no time and no interest in reading through animal studies. I have been watching rats with restored function since the late 80?s / early 90?s; none of these studies have done a thing for anyone with SCI. I am only interested in human trials that show functional recovery. The article states they have had functional recover with this approach in rats and dogs. Fortunately we have you to analyze animal studies and tell the researchers when their results are good enough to move to human trials.
                Until they have conducted human trials we will not know if functional recovery will be gained in humans. What we do know is that if they don?t move human trials there is no human benefit. Do not get me wrong, I?m all for basic science, but until basic science moves to human trials it does no humanly good.
                Not to mention, there is NO way to predict how animal experiments will translate into humans. If ChinaSCINet had done studies in large animals, they would not have yet completed Phase II in humans. They made the right call going forward in humans, as you will clearly see when results are published.

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by wilfried View Post
                  But in the video didn't it say that the injury was only two months old ...so isn't that to be considered acute?
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                    #54
                    Originally posted by lunasicc42 View Post
                    But in the video didn't it say that the injury was only two months old ...so isn't that to be considered acute?
                    Yes, it said a two month old injury. I'm still trying to find out what type of stem cells were being squirted onto the elongated BDNF laced collagen scaffold on this first patient. Were they umbilical cord cells, schwann cells or olfactory ensheathing cells? It's referred to everywhere here just as "stem cells"... Does anybody know exactly what was implanted into this guy yet?
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                      #55
                      Originally posted by GRAMMY View Post
                      Yes, it said a two month old injury. I'm still trying to find out what type of stem cells were being squirted onto the elongated BDNF laced collagen scaffold on this first patient. Were they umbilical cord cells, schwann cells or olfactory ensheathing cells? It's referred to everywhere here just as "stem cells"... Does anybody know exactly what was implanted into this guy yet?
                      According to the article on people.cn, "The difference is that this time we used is between nerve regenerated collagen scaffold combined mesenchymal stem cells to treat spinal cord injury."

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                        #56
                        According to the article, Of course, we will continue to improve, because the scaffold has been proven to be safe, we now put on the stand The mesenchymal stem cells, neural stem cells in the future may put or nerve growth factor, so that it may enhance the regenerative capacity, the effect will be more pronounced. We also hope to allow more patients to benefit as soon as possible. "

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                          #57
                          Mesenchymal cells

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                            #58
                            Now test it on a person with a chronic injury ...report that
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                              #59
                              Originally posted by Tbone57 View Post
                              Mesenchymal cells
                              Derived from the patients bone marrow or were these umbilical cord cells do you suppose?
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                                #60
                                Originally posted by NWC4 View Post
                                According to the article, Of course, we will continue to improve, because the scaffold has been proven to be safe, we now put on the stand The mesenchymal stem cells, neural stem cells in the future may put or nerve growth factor, so that it may enhance the regenerative capacity, the effect will be more pronounced. We also hope to allow more patients to benefit as soon as possible. "
                                This sounds as though the scaffold was already run through human trials and what they're looking at is the "stem cells" being added. They're already mentioning a future additive being targeted as neural stem cells with appropriate nerve growth factors to enhance regeneration. We'll see where this goes...
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