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    Originally posted by tweez View Post
    Hey,

    you shoudl re-read yourself because you don;t make any sense honestly.

    You say that you're tired of denial and pessimism. Then you say that you;re not saying we should not believe in fairy tales and be realistic, but "what if"

    "What if" is exactly the opposite of being realistic and not believing in fairy tales: "what if" means although I don't have the evidence to support what I advance, but I still want to believe in it because I really want it to happen. Wishful thinking, n (e.g. What if I woke up tomorrow morning and had 10 million dollars? ) dreaming, nothing more.

    Unfortunately, science doesn't work like that. THe "what if"component is the hypothesis part, the easiest part. Then you have to infirm/confirm your hypothesis and draw conclusions. This the part where we look for the black spots, like you say

    Science is all about looking for black spots . Looking for black spots will get us to a cure if/when it happens.

    The computer you are writing this message from was built by looking for black spots for decades and eliminating them progressively enough so the computer works seamlessly enough to be effective.

    I know we all want a cure to happen, and because the subject is so important to us we get emotional and start not being rational. e.g. wishful thinking

    I have a brother who unfortunately currently has substance abuse problems and uses a similar rhetoric to yours in justifying his behavior.

    If you think people are negative just because they are pointing out unpleasant details that do not fit your current standing point (i.e. we are really getting close to a cure), then you are the one who's in denial, not the others

    You also seem to be the kind who prefers a comforting lie to a painful truth.
    I think I'm sorry to see that you must be having problems, writing these long criticising posts...trying what?
    I meant with "What if?" to have an opened mind, which is not quite the same with believing in fairy tales. Nevertheless our subject is definitely not a fairy tale.
    And about the black spots, that would mean the imperfections of a very recent discovery which are normal, and they're the only thing you see...and don't worry, those in competence are aware of them.

    You also seem to be the kind who prefers a comforting lie to a painful truth.
    I don't think this is just a lie that comforts me, and the truth to be so painful.
    Anyway...think what you want. Bye.

    Last edited by Silvio GS; 25 Oct 2014, 4:24 PM.

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      What is the next step?

      "Over time, the scientists aim to optimise the procedure that was carried out in Poland. nsif have pledged to fund procedures on additional patients in the very near future. This is hugely expensive.

      Specifically, the scientists want to determine the relative contribution of olfactory ensheathing cells and peripheral nerve strips and the optimal method of applying them. Through this they will determine the range of functions that can be restored. They will also explore the use of alternative reparative cell types and bridging materials"..

      http://www.nsif.org.uk/faqs

      Paolo
      In God we trust; all others bring data. - Edwards Deming

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        Originally posted by lynnifer View Post
        ... watched the Panorama special and was more reluctant to be a pessimist..
        So there is more than the 'walking' in the news segment, eh? I guess I gotta see that some time.

        Speaking of hype, the neighbor across the alley was excited to tell me today about that Polish Miracle Man she saw on some show recently. I was thinking about this thread and imagined where was the real-life 'face-palm' icon, lol. Yep, public sure is getting mislead

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          Originally posted by tweez View Post
          You guys don't seem to realize that MRI isn't a very effective tool for analyzing connections in the spinal cord.
          I agree with you that MRI may be an ineffective tool for analysing connections. However, it is a perfectly adequate tool for detecting the presence of tissue in the spinal cord. The progressive development of more tissue and more healthy looking tissue in the gap has accompanied the return of limited function and whilst it is true that correlation need not imply causation it is equally true that correlation does not rule out causation.
          I agree that blind optimism is not a good way of assessing the validity of experimental results but it seems that many are dismissing these results on the ground that the patient has not recovered to the extent that they are going to challenge the Kenyan's in next year's London marathon.
          This may not be "the" miracle cure we have all been waiting for but when you are fighting a long battle it is better to have more than one bullet and the results so far suggest this is another bullet to add to the arsenal of other weapons that are being developed. The fact that more tests are needed, as is the case with all medical progress, is good reason to be cautious but it is not adequate reason to dismiss this altogether.

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            Is the method used very similar to Dr Wise Young's method? If so, maybe Dr Young's study results will be similar too?

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              Originally posted by Andy View Post
              So there is more than the 'walking' in the news segment, eh? I guess I gotta see that some time.

              Speaking of hype, the neighbor across the alley was excited to tell me today about that Polish Miracle Man she saw on some show recently. I was thinking about this thread and imagined where was the real-life 'face-palm' icon, lol. Yep, public sure is getting mislead
              Right!? Everyone I know keeps telling me about this. Seems like I hear more of this than the epi stim from Louisville. Seems a bit strange to me considering this happened in Poland and the Epi Stim was right here in America.

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                Grammy - Please explain -
                what is importance of free access paper and Dr. G. Raisman's invitation to use & develop their procedure by others?
                Would this "Free access" accelerate anything?
                Why other teams & researchers not doing the same thing?

                I think tweez got media hype point correct.

                Unrelated to this topic - Did anyone find any promising work on reversing spinal cord shock with incomplete SCI?
                www.MiracleofWalk.com

                Miracles are not contrary to nature, but only contrary
                to what we know about nature
                Saint Augustine

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                  I don't see the publicity as a bad thing, anything that gets SCI in the public eye is a good thing, and this program seemed pretty well balanced. It is general TV after all. It's a step in the right direction, and they need funding and they are publishing all their data and information in a responsible manner, even if phase 2 and phase 3 turn out to be a blind alley, it is another alley that has been tried. While a the same time keeping SCI in the public consciousness.

                  I wonder what happens to us that have crushed cords and a bunch of metal holding our spine together. Will they chop out the crushed part and regrow between where the spinal cord is in good shape. I know, no real answer.

                  I still think the TV show was pretty awesome.

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                    [QUOTE=comad;1750422]Grammy - Please explain -
                    what is importance of free access paper and Dr. G. Raisman's invitation to use & develop their procedure by others?
                    Would this "Free access" accelerate anything?
                    Why other teams & researchers not doing the same thing?[QUOTE]

                    Free access isn't available too often (or at least not as often as we'd like) in neuroregeneration. It allows for everyone to access the paper rather than just those with paid subscriptions to the journal "Cell Transplantation". Most institutions and people working directly in the field have access but not the general public. With the media coverage being world wide on this particular case, it's wonderful that everyone could read the paper for themselves to formulate questions and opinions on what was included in the paper. I'm not sure if the "free access" would accelerate anything, but it surely gives a birds eye view on why the press covered it.
                    Dr. Raisman has worked for years in this field but this paper and human case picks up from the Dr. Almudena Ramon-Cueto's lab work and paper from 14 years ago. Dr. Raisman is taking no patents on the work and hopes that the work continues toward a therapy that will be taken to bedside in the future for other patients. There has been additional work in the area of PNG for SCI and if anything, this media coverage may accelerate the interest and perhaps fine tune additional therapies that will be tried in other labs in order to bring a widespread therapy about for SCI.
                    http://spinalcordresearchandadvocacy.wordpress.com/

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                      Originally posted by Barrington314mx View Post
                      Right!? Everyone I know keeps telling me about this. Seems like I hear more of this than the epi stim from Louisville. Seems a bit strange to me considering this happened in Poland and the Epi Stim was right here in America.
                      When the first paper come out about Rob Summers I had more people telling me about it than this. Perhaps there wasn't much happening in the world to report in the evening news so it was on all channels news.

                      I would consider this news about OECs more a UK news since what happened in Poland has been guided and funded by people from UK, so the BBC got involved and that makes the news go around the world in few minutes.

                      Which of the two news diserved more attention?
                      If we agree that "regeneration is the cure" as Kate said in this post I would say that the OECs news is more relevant to cure SCI, therefore deserved more attention.

                      Paolo
                      In God we trust; all others bring data. - Edwards Deming

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                        Yeah this is great, another example of how a lot of discoveries might be found within our own bodies. Nasal Cells?...that is weird, but maybe it really is that simple?
                        "The problem with self improvement is knowing when to quit." "Diamond" David Lee Roth.

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                          This is one patient. It is interesting. It is not a cure. The functional improvements are not at a point where one might consider to be "useful" for acts of daily living. The patient improved from AIS A to C. There is partial recovery of voluntary function, some improvement in deep and superficial sensations. The paper has been accepted by Cell Transplantation but not yet published. I attach the manuscript for those who might want to read about the details. Wise.
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                            It's just too bad we don't have the resources of the Miami Project, RHI and use the Reeve Idea to develop/rehab with the OEG's with Raisman's attitude. LOL I'm more excited by Silver's work than this OEG stuff ... but it's nice after 12yrs on this site to have some irons in the fire - not complaining!
                            Roses are red. Tacos are enjoyable. Don't blame immigrants, because you're unemployable.

                            T-11 Flaccid Paraplegic due to TM July 1985 @ age 12

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                              This is an OEC + epidural stimulation + Quipazine (pharmaceutical) and rehabilitation study funded by the NIH that I posted back in March here.

                              https://www.carecure.net/forum/showt...=1#post1725600

                              The new Dr. Raisman published study is not a follow-up of any of the previous trial participants done before. Darek Fidyka is a unique case-report. The OECs used for his transplant were not derived from his nose but from one of his olfactory bulbs in the forebrain. Glial scar was surgically removed and a nerve graft was utilized.
                              Last edited by GRAMMY; 27 Oct 2014, 9:23 PM.
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                                Originally posted by Wise Young View Post
                                This is one patient. It is interesting. It is not a cure. The functional improvements are not at a point where one might consider to be "useful" for acts of daily living. The patient improved from AIS A to C. There is partial recovery of voluntary function, some improvement in deep and superficial sensations. The paper has been accepted by Cell Transplantation but not yet published. I attach the manuscript for those who might want to read about the details. Wise.
                                Wise,

                                what is your opinion about the other three patients published in 2013?

                                I attach a pdf for those who might want to read about the details.

                                Paolo
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                                In God we trust; all others bring data. - Edwards Deming

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