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    http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-waa021113.php

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    New clinical trial https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/s...r=Open&rank=23

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    • #3
      Originally posted by fti View Post
      An awesome trial called the STIMO study is one to keep an eye on where they are implanting a stimulation device.

      Last edited by GRAMMY; 10-24-2016, 03:06 PM.
      http://spinalcordresearchandadvocacy.wordpress.com/

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      • #4
        Only Cs and Ds though
        T3 complete since Sept 2015.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by fti View Post
          That's great. He gave a speech a few weeks ago about 25min but it was pulled from youtube and he was probably talking in details about it. I have been following him a long time. Thank you for the information.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mize View Post
            Only Cs and Ds though
            Yes, starting with 8 incompletes because they'll have them up on a treadmill right away to provide optimal body weight support. Courtine has explained that he wants to get proof of concept on the work. It's not a sprint, rather a marathon that has to be strategically planned so that the project doesn't implode. They will be able to add pharmaceuticals in future trials.
            Last edited by GRAMMY; 10-24-2016, 02:56 PM.
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            • #7
              Here is a link to the link of the question and answer panel link that includes gregoire courtine

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BLTz31TA0o

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              • #8
                Originally posted by scimike View Post
                Here is a link to the link of the question and answer panel link that includes gregoire courtine
                Here you go scimike...
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                • #9
                  I red this article a while ago:

                  http://labiotech.eu/sci-fi-spinal-co...#comment-96324

                  Then I added the following comment:

                  "My prediction is that it has zero chance to become a product that can significantly improve life of people living with spinal cord injury.
                  Look at the preclinical data carefully."

                  I got an answer that among other things saies:

                  ..."and rest assured that the tiny minority of engineers and scientists who have both the clinical experience and are also familiar with the research, agree with you."

                  Time will tell the truth.





                  In God we trust; all others bring data. - Edwards Deming

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                  • #10
                    Perhaps the tiny minority are strategic quitters?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by GRAMMY View Post
                      Perhaps the tiny minority are strategic quitters?

                      Do you remember this:

                      https://spinalcordresearchandadvocac...-test-of-time/

                      I am planning to be here around long enough to see how the epi-stim story will end, will you too?
                      In God we trust; all others bring data. - Edwards Deming

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by paolocipolla View Post
                        Do you remember this:

                        https://spinalcordresearchandadvocac...-test-of-time/

                        I am planning to be here around long enough to see how the epi-stim story will end, will you too?
                        You're attempting to compare apples and oranges. Decorin never made it off the research lab bench whereas epidural stimulation has surpassed that X 1,000...

                        And yes, nobody is digging my grave just yet so I plan to be around for a few years to see how things are going.
                        Last edited by GRAMMY; 10-29-2016, 03:59 PM.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by GRAMMY View Post
                          You're attempting to compare apples and oranges. Decorin never made it off the research lab bench whereas epidural stimulation has surpassed that X 1,000...

                          And yes, nobody is digging my grave just yet so I plan to be around for a few years to see how things are going.
                          Funny, Paola digs his own grave every time he types!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by GRAMMY View Post
                            You're attempting to compare apples and oranges. Decorin never made it off the research lab bench whereas epidural stimulation has surpassed that X 1,000...

                            And yes, nobody is digging my grave just yet so I plan to be around for a few years to see how things are going.
                            I think probably it would have been a waste of money to do a trial with decorin as the animal studies (as far as I understand) so far do not indicate it can induce significant recovery in people.

                            In my opinion with epi-stim the preclinical data are weak and do not justify spending so many millions to do clinical trials as it is happening.

                            This mistake has been made in the past already with the NOGO antibody (for example). It is sad that in my opinion we are repeating the same mistake.

                            Time will tell, in the meantime I would suggest you and all people here to look at the preclinical data and also at the clinical data already available with objectivity.

                            I don't really care that time will prove me right, I just want a cure ASAP and for that to happen the least money we waste the better.
                            Last edited by paolocipolla; 11-04-2016, 06:29 PM.
                            In God we trust; all others bring data. - Edwards Deming

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                            • #15
                              do you have links or something to the afforementioned weak data...it's not that I do or do not agree, I just haven't seen it and need to read it to come to my own conclusions ...because "most" of what I hear sounds pretty great but on the other hand I just have to be kind of expecting big talk and hyped anecdotal talk in sci...simply need to see the data for myself
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