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  • #91
    Originally posted by Wise Young View Post
    Paolo,

    Penetrating wounds of the spinal cord are relatively rare. For example, we did not see any case of a penetrating or transecting wound of the spinal cord in 41 ASIA A patients that we transplanted cells into so far, 28 of which are chronic and 13 were subacute.
    Subacute? Which trial is this? I was under the impression that of the patients in both the Hong Kong and Kunming trials were chronics....I went back and saw you mention these subacute patients a few times and also checked clinicaltrials.gov which seems to have a separate trial for acutes and subacutes (NCT01471613)... Is it right to assume then that you were talking about the improved locomotor, sensory, motor scores in terms of chronic patients? If not, are the subacutes getting the intradural decompression? I'm sorry if you've clarified before but suddenly I'm very confused....and I think it would just be nice to know if your personal observations from before were from chronics or subacutes. Thanks!

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Chaz19 View Post
      very interesting. Have they done MRIs on him before and after to determine how he regained his function.
      Chaz,

      When Daniel introduced himself to me a year and a half ago saying he's an ex-quad I had to hear his experience and this is what keeps my hopes up. He said that since his injury in his mid-20s, doctors and neurosurgeons said that in no way he would regain function, there were no follow ups regarding his cord after he left the hospital. He went on with his life I guess...

      I didn't ask about MRI's, He's on his mid 50s now, I assumed this technology wasn't available back then. I asked him about his ASIA scores but he couldn’t answer saying that the ASIA standards didn't exist at that time neither... but from what he described to me it sounds like he was an ASIA B or C Incomplete...

      He's one of my main inspirations, he’s the living proof to me that his chronic so called ‘scar’ didn’t stop him recovering along his amazingly unusual natural recovery.

      That’s why I reacted in disbelief of this ‘scar’ barrier theory. To me the debates about it are just getting old and see no point arguing about it. Fiber bundles, white matter growing across injury site is a more interesting and realistic to me as I see that it can most likely ‘provoke’ how Daniel recovered.

      Any researcher who would like a personal meeting with Daniel here in Montreal for proof/his testimonial, I’d be glad to arrange this. PM me
      "Talk without the support of action means nothing..."
      ― DaShanne Stokes

      ***Unite(D) to Fight Paralyses***

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      • #93
        Moe, I believe the man recovered. But my guess is he recovered from Guillame Barre Sybdrome. Unless he had xrays showing a broken neck it sounds like GBS. I read a book about a woman who recovered from GBS after 15-16 years. As an incomplete sounding low quad she swam a lot and thought that helped. We did have ASIA levels 30 years ago. Actually, the first MRIs showed up about then too.

        Patience about some improvement from this life is hard. Like Jerry, I think I've read his all of Einstein's essays too. He was very big on hope and the ability of humans to harness to one problem and find an answer. I agree.

        But...if one of you newbies mentions those damned Zebrafish again outside of having one at home in a hobby aquarium I will find you and send you flying down a hill. For my first 10 years that is all I heard..zebrafish.

        And researchers cannot hurry the FDA without possibly inciting us to go to DC and lock those bureacrats inside until they approve trials and then the trials take forever too.

        Originally posted by Moe View Post
        Chaz,

        When Daniel introduced himself to me a year and a half ago saying he's an ex-quad I had to hear his experience and this is what keeps my hopes up. He said that since his injury in his mid-20s, doctors and neurosurgeons said that in no way he would regain function, there were no follow ups regarding his cord after he left the hospital. He went on with his life I guess...

        I didn't ask about MRI's, He's on his mid 50s now, I assumed this technology wasn't available back then. I asked him about his ASIA scores but he couldn’t answer saying that the ASIA standards didn't exist at that time neither... but from what he described to me it sounds like he was an ASIA B or C Incomplete...

        He's one of my main inspirations, he’s the living proof to me that his chronic so called ‘scar’ didn’t stop him recovering along his amazingly unusual natural recovery.

        That’s why I reacted in disbelief of this ‘scar’ barrier theory. To me the debates about it are just getting old and see no point arguing about it. Fiber bundles, white matter growing across injury site is a more interesting and realistic to me as I see that it can most likely ‘provoke’ how Daniel recovered.

        Any researcher who would like a personal meeting with Daniel here in Montreal for proof/his testimonial, I’d be glad to arrange this. PM me
        Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "I will try again tomorrow."

        Disclaimer: Answers, suggestions, and/or comments do not constitute medical advice expressed or implied and are based solely on my experiences as a SCI patient. Please consult your attending physician for medical advise and treatment. In the event of a medical emergency please call 911.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Sue Pendleton View Post
          Moe, I believe the man recovered. But my guess is he recovered from Guillame Barre Sybdrome. Unless he had xrays showing a broken neck it sounds like GBS. I read a book about a woman who recovered from GBS after 15-16 years. As an incomplete sounding low quad she swam a lot and thought that helped. We did have ASIA levels 30 years ago. Actually, the first MRIs showed up about then too.
          Fair enough, I'll try to call him and ask in more detail. I'll ask him for the xrays to make sure if the xrays show a broken vetebrea or not to make sure. I'll try to get more details and confirm a few things before I say anything else regarding this. But his accident was that he fell off a 2 story elevator pitt... I cant't remember for sure but I Think he said that he broke his spine in 2 places, higher and lower. but I'll confirm...
          Moe
          Last edited by Moe; 12-31-2012, 04:19 PM.
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          • #95
            Sue,

            I think you ment Guillain-Barre syndrome and not Guillame Barre.

            I check in more detail about GBS...

            "Guillain-Barre syndrome is a serious disorder that occurs when the body's defense (immune) system mistakenly attacks part of the nervous system. This leads to nerve inflammation that causes muscle weeness and other symptoms."

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001704/

            Is this what you were reffering to? I may be wrong but what I red about it it so far it does not resemble Daniel's case at all... His case was an injury and not a disorder.
            Last edited by Moe; 12-31-2012, 04:41 PM. Reason: added paragraph and spelling
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            • #96
              Originally posted by Moe View Post
              doctors and neurosurgeons said that in no way he would regain function, there were no follow ups regarding his cord after he left the hospital. He went on with his life I guess...
              I hear this anecdote a lot.

              I asked him about his ASIA scores but he couldn’t answer saying that the ASIA standards didn't exist at that time neither... but from what he described to me it sounds like he was an ASIA B or C Incomplete...
              Exactly. Most incompletes recover walking ability. I've read that
              ASIA C's have a greater than 90% chance at recovering unassisted
              walking.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Moe View Post
                Fair enough, I'll try to call him and ask in more detail. I'll ask him for the xrays to make sure if the xrays show a broken vetebrea or not to make sure. I'll try to get more details and confirm a few things before I say anything else regarding this. But his accident was that he fell off a 2 story elevator pitt... I cant't remember for sure but I Think he said that he broke his spine in 2 places, higher and lower. but I'll confirm...
                Moe
                Getting GBS the same day you fell off an elevator pit would be an extraordinary coincidence...did he regain BB function at all?

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                • #98
                  so no one ever looked at a cadaver sci spinal cord?
                  Han: "We are all ready to win, just as we are born knowing only life. It is defeat that you must learn to prepare for"

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by cripwalk View Post
                    Getting GBS the same day you fell off an elevator pit would be an extraordinary coincidence...did he regain BB function at all?
                    That's a good question, I was shy to ask then since family members were present. But I'll call and get back to you, I want to know his sexual function as well... also wanted to ask a few more details...
                    I'll be back and share the answer. I try tomorrow since its a day off and wish him a happy new year at the same time...
                    "Talk without the support of action means nothing..."
                    ― DaShanne Stokes

                    ***Unite(D) to Fight Paralyses***

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                    • and to think that you were the one bitching about off topic posts. Then you make all these off topic posts. Moe... Back on topic!!!!
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                      • Originally posted by lunasicc42 View Post
                        and to think that you were the one bitching about off topic posts. Then you make all these off topic posts. Moe... Back on topic!!!!
                        eum...

                        'Jerry Silver and Other Discussion from ChinaSCINet Update '

                        if you go back a few posts you'll understand what I'm talking about and you will see I'm within topic. I was discussing this with interested members as you could notice. Sorry to spoil your evening and hope you'll sleep tonight. The discussions here were based on scar removal or not... tell me where I went wrong and why this reaction.

                        Moe
                        Last edited by Moe; 12-31-2012, 11:08 PM.
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                        • Jerry, Dr. Young has provided us with references and research to support his claims. You claim that he is the only one in the field who still holds these beliefs but you have provide us with no references to research that is in support of your view. Even your current work is under review and is therefore of no use. Can you provide us with research studies to help substantiate your "scar" theory?

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                          • They say not to discuss politics and religion, I'm beginning to think we should add cures to that.

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                            • my bad moe. I realize now that it was none of my concern.... Go home Lunasicc42, you are drunk
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                              • Originally posted by SmashingPumpkinds View Post
                                You claim that he is the only one in the field who still holds these beliefs but you have provide us with no references to research that is in support of your view. Can you provide us with research studies to help substantiate your "scar" theory?
                                Here's a link to 1,120 references to research studies you can review.

                                http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=glial%20scar
                                Last edited by GRAMMY; 01-01-2013, 12:25 PM. Reason: spelling
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