Originally posted by Wise Young
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Paolo,
A transected spinal cord is extremely rare and not something that anybody can easily do a clinical trial of, except in very special centers. Why are you so concerned about transected spinal cords? Do you happen to know of somebody with a transected cord? Are you interested because of In Vivo Therapeutics? If they are planning a therapy that can only be done on people with transected spinal cords, that is not a very good business model. If they are planning to transect or remove part of the spinal cord of chronic patients to transplant some scaffolding, I have already indicated repeatedly that this would not be justifiable.
Dr. Henreich Cheng in Taiwan is the only doctor that I know who has a treatment that he has applied to transected spinal cords of patients with spinal cord injury. As people here may recall, he published an important paper in 1995, reporting that peripheral nerve grafts between white and gray matter allows axons to grow across the gap of a transected cord. For perhaps 15 years, he has been doing searching for patients with transected spinal cords to do his bridging therapy on. I am not sure how many he has found but I think that he has found only several patients to date who have transected spinal cords.
Please stop saying that we have selected less severely injured patients. It is not true. You don't know what you are talking about. All the patients that we studied have severe spinal cord injuries. They all had ASIA A complete injuries. The only patient that we excluded from the study is one patient who had a DTI scan showing more than 3 segment gap of his white matter. All the patients had a clear gap in their white matter at the injury site. None of the patients that were screened for the trial had a transected spinal cord.
Have you read the paper by Liu, et al. (2011)? I attach it and suggest that you read it, if you have not. Yes, there is extensive sprouting in the rostral spinal cord but axonal growth continue for many weeks in hemisected mice. Why aren't the additional corticospinal axons blocked, not only from growing across the rostral but across the caudal side of the lesion? In animals where PTEN had not been deleted (they were injected with AAV-GFP rather than AAV-Cre), the growing axons stop right at the rostral lesion edge. Why do they stop? Jerry Silver and others have suggested that they stop because of the glial scar and the presence of chondroitin-6-sulfate-proteoglycan (CSPG). The deletion of PTEN from the cortex of these mice does not eliminate CSPG or gliosis at the lesion edge and yet the axons grow through the so-called glial scar.
By the way, if you read the papers, note that axons don't like to grow where astrocytes are absent. For example, Liu, et al. wrote in their discussion that robustly axons failed to penetrate into GFAP-negative areas of the lesion site. Interesting that the axons don't stop where the glial cells are.
Absence of astrocytes in fact deters growth of axons. Axons prefer to grow on glia. Incidentally, this is similar to what Michael Sofroniew also observed in his review of the role of reactive astrocytes in brain and spinal cord repair. Axons grow readily through thickets of reactive glia. He concluded that astrocytes protect tissue and preserve function rather than block regeneration and repair. Sofroniew pointed out that there are opposing views concerning whether reactive astrocytes are friend or foe.
Our study of contused spinal cords show that a loose tissue matrix of mostly astrocytes accumulate at the contusion site. Many axons enter into this tissue matrix and some may even exit, accounting for why there may be delayed recovery in some animals after spinal cord injury. If there were a tight barrier that prevents axon growth at the contusion site, why are there many axons entering the injury site? There are many reasons why axons entering the injury site may not grow into the distal cord, including the presence of CSPG, Nogo, and other growth inhibitors at the caudal edge. Probably some axons do grow out of the contusion site. In any case, it doesn't matter. The fact that the axons are growing into the injury site is a strong argument against an important role of the glial scar preventing axonal growth into the injury site.
Wise.
A transected spinal cord is extremely rare and not something that anybody can easily do a clinical trial of, except in very special centers. Why are you so concerned about transected spinal cords? Do you happen to know of somebody with a transected cord? Are you interested because of In Vivo Therapeutics? If they are planning a therapy that can only be done on people with transected spinal cords, that is not a very good business model. If they are planning to transect or remove part of the spinal cord of chronic patients to transplant some scaffolding, I have already indicated repeatedly that this would not be justifiable.
Dr. Henreich Cheng in Taiwan is the only doctor that I know who has a treatment that he has applied to transected spinal cords of patients with spinal cord injury. As people here may recall, he published an important paper in 1995, reporting that peripheral nerve grafts between white and gray matter allows axons to grow across the gap of a transected cord. For perhaps 15 years, he has been doing searching for patients with transected spinal cords to do his bridging therapy on. I am not sure how many he has found but I think that he has found only several patients to date who have transected spinal cords.
Please stop saying that we have selected less severely injured patients. It is not true. You don't know what you are talking about. All the patients that we studied have severe spinal cord injuries. They all had ASIA A complete injuries. The only patient that we excluded from the study is one patient who had a DTI scan showing more than 3 segment gap of his white matter. All the patients had a clear gap in their white matter at the injury site. None of the patients that were screened for the trial had a transected spinal cord.
Have you read the paper by Liu, et al. (2011)? I attach it and suggest that you read it, if you have not. Yes, there is extensive sprouting in the rostral spinal cord but axonal growth continue for many weeks in hemisected mice. Why aren't the additional corticospinal axons blocked, not only from growing across the rostral but across the caudal side of the lesion? In animals where PTEN had not been deleted (they were injected with AAV-GFP rather than AAV-Cre), the growing axons stop right at the rostral lesion edge. Why do they stop? Jerry Silver and others have suggested that they stop because of the glial scar and the presence of chondroitin-6-sulfate-proteoglycan (CSPG). The deletion of PTEN from the cortex of these mice does not eliminate CSPG or gliosis at the lesion edge and yet the axons grow through the so-called glial scar.
By the way, if you read the papers, note that axons don't like to grow where astrocytes are absent. For example, Liu, et al. wrote in their discussion that robustly axons failed to penetrate into GFAP-negative areas of the lesion site. Interesting that the axons don't stop where the glial cells are.
Absence of astrocytes in fact deters growth of axons. Axons prefer to grow on glia. Incidentally, this is similar to what Michael Sofroniew also observed in his review of the role of reactive astrocytes in brain and spinal cord repair. Axons grow readily through thickets of reactive glia. He concluded that astrocytes protect tissue and preserve function rather than block regeneration and repair. Sofroniew pointed out that there are opposing views concerning whether reactive astrocytes are friend or foe.
Our study of contused spinal cords show that a loose tissue matrix of mostly astrocytes accumulate at the contusion site. Many axons enter into this tissue matrix and some may even exit, accounting for why there may be delayed recovery in some animals after spinal cord injury. If there were a tight barrier that prevents axon growth at the contusion site, why are there many axons entering the injury site? There are many reasons why axons entering the injury site may not grow into the distal cord, including the presence of CSPG, Nogo, and other growth inhibitors at the caudal edge. Probably some axons do grow out of the contusion site. In any case, it doesn't matter. The fact that the axons are growing into the injury site is a strong argument against an important role of the glial scar preventing axonal growth into the injury site.
Wise.
did you see the second presentation of Jerry Silver at W2W 2012?
Do you have any comment?
Paolo
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