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    Dr. bohbot's procedure

    Has anyone gone to France to be treated By Dr. Bohbot

    #2
    Here is website

    http://www.laserponcture.net/
    http://stores.ebay.com/MAKSYM-Variety-Store

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      #3
      Brians, check the link below to read Dr. Young's opinion of laserpuncture and Dr. Bohbot's explanation of the procedure.

      http://carecure.org/forum/showpost.php?p=73481

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        #4
        Then again, the world laughed at Louie Pasteur didn't they...

        Something I've learned in life is...until I empathize with someone and look at it through their eyes, I can't formulate an opinion.

        Eric Texley
        Eric Texley

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          #5
          Eric,I do not understand your post.My understanding is you have had the treatment Can you give details,injury level,complete or incomplete,did the treatments make a difference,how long were you ther,etc

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            #6
            Dear Brian

            At the moment, we have 4 Americans in treatment, we can give you their email if you wish to contact them once they will be back in America.
            You can visit Dr Laurance Johnston's website www.healingtherapies.info where you will find information and the last article in Paraplegia News is posted online.

            Albert

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              #7
              I am a T5 complete spinal cord injury, due to a burst fracture caused by a bicycling accident in April of 2000.

              Since then I've done two courses in biofeedback therapy at the University of Miami Jackson, and I've been to France twice to work with Dr. Bohbot.

              I can't give an objective analysis of what I've gained from both, because I haven't been examined by a therapist, and to be quite honest I don't care to be. I'm not a part of a study. My objective is to recover and help other people as much as I can.

              The last time I was in France, modifications were made to my braces to give me flexion both in the knees as well as the ancles (which I couldn't get done in the United States.) Since then, I've stared working on locking my legs (which I accomplish with a stim and then try holding them locked.) I have normal sensation on my back to my waist and improved sensation on my stomach. Before I went to France, I was getting about 20% of normal innervation in my quadradus lumborum (hip flexors.) At this point I am starting to be able to kick my legs forward and walk with my legs rather than my arms. I work out in the braces probably two hours a day.

              The flexion in the ancles have made ramps a doable thing, because I can keep my center of gravity over my feet instead of in front of behind on an incline. After hip flexion, the next most important thing will be quads and hams to clear my toes from the ground during my gate cycle.

              Quite frankly, I don't care how long it takes...

              Eric Texley

              [This message was edited by Eric Texley on May 16, 2002 at 10:17 AM.]
              Eric Texley

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                #8
                Eric,thankyou for your reply.I am going to go to France for Dr. Bohbot's treatment.If have had a lot of complications and am in the hospital now,however next week I start building my strenght back up and will do outpatient physical and occupational therapy with the goal of becoming totally independent and than I will be going to France

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                  #9
                  New patient testimonies on laserpuncture

                  They are available on www.laserponcture.org (homepage)

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                    #10
                    Thanks M. Bohbot for your presentation of results on your web site about the use of laser puncture treatment. Everything is very clear and very sound.

                    -------------------------------------------------

                    To the rest: What about other treatments around the world? Where are the "secret" results.

                    Dr Lima - Portugal - 60,000
                    Dr Huang - China - 20,.000
                    Dr Bruhovietzki - Russia 23,000 plus 6000 X 7 during the next two years
                    Dr Kleiblosen - Turkey - 15,000
                    Dr Greeta - India - ????

                    We all know the charges, but where and what are the results? Video evidence and documentation like that of Dr Boboth's would be ideal. Talking about results is cheap. "WE WANT TO SEE THESE RESULTS!"

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by seneca
                      Brians, check the link below to read Dr. Young's opinion of laserpuncture and Dr. Bohbot's explanation of the procedure.

                      http://carecure.org/forum/showpost.php?p=73481
                      Seneca,
                      You only give the link to Mr. Bohbot's post, the correct link to read Dr. Young's opinion is:
                      http://carecure.org/forum/showpost.php?p=73475
                      George78

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by George78
                        Seneca,
                        You only give the link to Mr. Bohbot's post, the correct link to read Dr. Young's opinion is:
                        http://carecure.org/forum/showpost.php?p=73475
                        George78
                        This is an old thread George. I posted that 4 years ago so it's possible that the links have gotten scrambled since then.

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                          #13
                          People can find all the posts that I have made regarding Dr. Bohbot on this site by doing an advanced search... enter "bohbot" in the keywords and "wise young" in the user name. If you do so, you will find:

                          http://carecure.org/forum/search.php?searchid=302592

                          I have said several times that I don't understand and am skeptical about the efficacy of laserpuncture as a treatment. On the other hand, I think that the procedure is not harmful. Some people are reporting that they are getting some function back. Whether this recovery is a result of the laserpuncture or the physical activities at the clinic is not clear to me. Al Bohbot has posted some anecdotal results on his web site but these are not substitutes for detailed examinations before and after the treatment. Ultimately, the evidence for efficacy must come from randomized controlled clinical trials where the patients receive exactly the same treatment except that the laser is turned off (without the knowledge of the patient or the doctor). This has not been done yet.

                          Wise.

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                            #14
                            Wise,

                            Thanks for your contribution to the debate. I post here to point out that from 1989 to 1992 double blind versus placebo clinical trials on pains were implemented at the Centre Hospitalier Universitaire Regional (CHUR) in Lyon sud (France). It was funded by the French government. More than 700 individuals divided in two groups took part to the trials. Persons who had pains from cancer or from psychological origin were excluded; pains from rheumatic or neurological origins only were included. During the study we noticed that individuals who had neurological pains with limb paralysis improved their condition at the same time. That was 20 years ago.

                            My colleague, Dr Cécile Jame-Collet, does a thorough check-up before laser treatment. She checks reflexes, takes limbs measurements, and assesses sensitivity to pinprick in any new patient and each time they come back. It allows us to assess and document their recoveries. Any member of the CC forums who came here at the clinic for treatment can confirm it and certify their objective progress after the initial examinations. A majority of them is ASIA A.

                            Moreover, a short clip is shot at each new set of treatments so as to make a “history” in the walking improvements. Besides, a thick questionnaire is given every three months to acknowledge the evolution and changes in the condition of the individual with SCI.

                            At the moment we are making up a file to obtain the recognition of laserpuncture. It will go through clinical trials in compliance with the accepted scientific rules. It is planned that Laserpuncture should be applied right after the surgery performed straight after the accident. The purpose is to observe if functions can be saved by laserpuncture or not. Such trial is aimed at individuals who will be spinal cord injured in the future.

                            On our website and studies, the persons who underwent a stem cell or olfactive cell therapy (whether in China, Portugal or Russia) are clearly identified from the persons who received laserpuncture only.

                            It’s true that it’s difficult to understand a technique which does not use any cells or drugs, is non invasive, and gives results should we only want to listen to the ones who received it.

                            I keep on being surprised at how much credit is given to the persons claiming their results from stem cell or olfactive cell therapies and how little credit is given to the persons stating significant results with laserpuncture. Wise, do you have an answer to such a weird situation?

                            Laser is anecdotally efficient ;-)

                            Al

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                            Cher Wise,

                            Merci de votre reponse dans le debat. Je me permets d’intervenir pour rappeler simplement que de 1989 à 1992, il y a eu un protocole experimental en double aveugle versus placebo au CHUR de Lyon sud finance par le gouvernement francais. Plus de 700 personnes divisees en deux groupes ont recu le laser dans un protocole experimental sur la douleur. Les criteres d’exclusion etaient les douleurs cancereuses et les douleurs d’origine psychologique. Seules des douleurs identifiees soit rhumatismales, soit neurologiques etaient prises en compte. C’est d’ailleurs a la suite d’applications sur des sujets temoins ayant des douleurs d’origine neurologique avec paralysie de membres que l’on pu voir apparaitre les premieres recuperations. Ca fait 20 ans.

                            Ma collaboratrice, le Dr Cecile Jame-Collet, fait un bilan complet avec recherche des reflexes, mesures des membres et evaluation de la sensibilite a la piqure avant toute intervention du laser chez les nouveaux patients. Le meme examen est refait a chaque nouvelle periode de traitement. Ce qui permet d’evaluer les progres de chaque patient. Tous ceux qui lisent CC et qui sont venus en traitement pourront le confirmer et certifier que les progres objectifs qu’ils ont pu observer à la suite de ces examens. La majorite est ASIA A.

                            Par ailleurs, un suivi video est fait a chaque nouvelle periode de traitement, ceci pour fixer les progres dans les recuperations de la marche. D’autre part, un volumineux questionnaire est rempli tous les trois mois pour connaitre les differents progres ou changements dans l’etat du bless medullaire.

                            A l’heure actuelle, nous sommes entrain de preparer un dossier pour obtenir la reconnaissance du laserponcture et celui-ci sera soumis a un protocole expeimental conformement aux regles scientifiquement admises.

                            L’application du laserponcture devrait se faire a la sortie du bloc operatoire tout de suite apres l’accident afin de voir s’il y a des fonctions qui sont sauvees par le laserponcture ou pas. Ce protocole s’adressera a des gens qui, pour l’instant, ne savent pas qu’ils vont etre dans l’avenir blesses medullaires.

                            Dans l’etude que nous avons menee, ceux qui ont reçu des cellules, que ce soit au Portugal, en Chine, en Russie ou ailleurs sont clairement identifies et séparés de ceux qui n’ont recu que le laserponcture seul.

                            C’est vrai qu’il est difficile de comprendre une technique qui n’utilise ni cellules souches, ni medicaments, qui n’est pas invasive, et qui au dire des temoignages de ceux qui l’ont reçue donne des resultats.

                            Je m’etonne toujours que l’on accorde du credit à ceux qui disent, quand ils ont reçu les techniques des cellules souches ou olfactives qu’ils n’ont eu peu ou pas de resultats, et que l’on ne prend pas en compte ceux qui ont eu des resultats objectifs avec le laserponcture. Avez-vous, Wise, une reponse à cette étrange situation ?

                            Le laser est anecdoctiquement efficace ;-)

                            Al

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                              #15
                              Al, thank you very much for the information. Wise.

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