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    I'm happy to see your progress and your posts, Dustin.

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      does it seem like your hands are filling in? I think maybe.

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        reminds me of the Dragons Way scam. Dragons Way was also in fl

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          Originally posted by Larsen View Post
          reminds me of the Dragons Way scam. Dragons Way was also in fl
          What exactly is this scam?
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            Originally posted by chris arnold View Post
            What exactly is this scam?
            Links to some very old posts about Dragon's Way.

            http:///forum/showthread.php?t=17310...ght=dragon%27s

            http:///forum/showthread.php?t=16966...ght=dragon%27s

            http:///forum/showthread.php?t=16723...ght=dragon%27s

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              I found this when wondering the same thing...

              https://www.carecure.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16723

              Scam or not? That's a good question. But I can assure you Ken has no affiliation either way to Dragon's Way. I also guarantee the NSC Therapy Project will not be closed down for any reason legally. I'm grateful for what he's capable of. I'm definitely going back and I'm hopeful he's capable of more. Whoever continues following my progress here will see what Ken's capable of. I know this too...

              In a matter of minutes, after Ken performed his technique of reflexology on me I was no longer a C5/6 complete. When I look back I realize when I got the most return out of his treatments. It was about 2 hours after our 3 hour therapy session on day 3. This was the session where I asked him to turn on my triceps, pecks, and abs. He then came to my hotel for an hour or so session in the pool. He and my friend helped me into an inner tube with my arms and head above the water, so I could basically float on my own. Now for that entire hour Ken had me try to move my legs up and down and back and forth and I tried like I was trying to move a mac truck. While trying to move my legs I noticed the amount of force I was putting on the inner tube with my upper body by how tired my arms were. I literally couldn't move after that hour, being so overworked. Now later on that evening is when I noticed the world of difference in the way I moved, the way I sang, and the way I felt. And still feel today

              Jody, I'm not sure if my hands are filling in or not. If so I haven't noticed due to them probably being in front of me all the time.

              For those who commented thanks again, and for those afraid to comment due to certain so and so's on here I don't blame you. If you are one of those so and so's bring on the ruckus! I love a healthy debate and trust me...I have a lot of time to do so
              Last edited by Onwalker78; 16 Feb 2011, 1:55 PM.

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                Originally posted by Onwalker78 View Post
                In a matter of minutes, after Ken performed his technique of reflexology on me I was no longer a C5/6 complete.
                Err, ok.
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                    Originally posted by Onwalker78 View Post
                    In a matter of minutes, after Ken performed his technique of reflexology on me I was no longer a C5/6 complete.
                    Sure.........., I wonder why Ken is NOT more popular than Dr. Wise.

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                      Thanks for this clarification. These discussions were taking place long before I'd heard of SCI, let alone become one.

                      Looking at Dragon's Way website, it appears to be exactly what the name implies, a martial arts facility.

                      Going back to the arguments in the thread, it appears that nothing changes. Despite the fact that individuals report significant improvement, they are ignored or put down with the usual dose of cynicism. On the other hand, it is true that some therapists lead a curiously elusive way of life, to which we quite reasonably ask the question why? The apparent vanishing of Dragon's Way, followed by what appear to be rumours or speculation, and as such, would discourage me from taking seriously the possibility of trying it out.

                      It is there that we come to the crux of this type of discussion. The old method of "suck it and see", which most of us intrinsically trust, just does not hold. There are very few adverse comments made by those who have actually tried these things. The others sit round the edge of the pool, too afraid to go as far as dipping their toes in the water. Those who got in, and claimed that it was enjoyable are clearly morons. Apart from anything else this is grossly insulting to fellow forum users.

                      I would be happy to try out treatment, and two weeks' ago, I contacted David Smith in Wales, whose information I obtained from Forward Magazine. He stated that he does not have a website, and no address is given, but he promised to visit me at home next time he comes to a client who lives about 18 miles away from me. By last Monday, he had not contacted me, but on 'phoning him he said that he would be able to make arrangements by yesterday, (Friday). This has not happened, and I ask myself, is this another elusive beast? I do not know, but will doubtless find out. I will not contact him again, and this has nothing to do with whether "it works"; the first requisite must be a reliable therapist.

                      My goal for such treatment is in some kind of measurable improvement and not some airy fairy notion that I will be cured.
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                        Originally posted by chris arnold View Post
                        My goal for such treatment is in some kind of measurable improvement and not some airy fairy notion that I will be cured.
                        If you want to exercise why don’t you simply go out in you’re garage (or stay inside) and do some exercising? There are no shortcuts to exercise. If you want avoid muscle atrophy and learned none-use, then exercise has to be a continually routine. It does not help much to go to a J. Doe person for a few days, pay a bunch of money and think that this will help much, that is an illusion. Sure it can help a lot to go to a top notch specialized center for a condition to have some professionals to teach you on how to do exercises, as you can learn from by creating a good exercise program for you to maintain on a regular basis in you’re daily life at home, but the same for this as well, to think that one can go to a sci-unit (regardless how professional it is) for a couple of weeks and think all is good and not do any regular exercise after such a stay, is likewise an illusion. Depending on the neurological completeness it is still a problem to avoid muscle atrophy, regardless of exercise, but then at least the ROM might help, at least to help out for contractures and secondary problems due to this like pressure soars, but as for this as well, it has to be based upon a continually program. There are no shortcuts to exercise.

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                          Originally posted by challenged athlete View Post
                          Sure.........., I wonder why Ken is NOT more popular than Dr. Wise.

                          Maybe $ has something to do with it. If the amount of people who fund Dr. Young's causes and follow his every post were to suddenly fund and follow Ken's words and causes he WOULD become more popular then Dr. Young. If the news and newspapers had headlines like "Ken's Reflexology a Great Success" rather than "First U.S. stem cells transplanted into spinal cord" Ken would be as famous as Bob Dylan. The fact remains, the ball of today's western medicine rolls with it's key figures in place and will continue to roll whether Ken is for real or not. What will happen to CC if Ken is proven to have success with SCI's? Would each topic begin with "Hi, I'm so and so, Ken changed my life in the following ways........"

                          This is the funny part. Because of all the negative people here on CC, the members that I'm in personal contact with that are interested in going, or that are going, aren't even posting so here because they don't want to be ridiculed. That's sad if you ask me because that doesn't help the rest of you on here who might think it's nonsense. If everyone with good results came on here and posted such, more members would go and do the same. A new ball would begin to roll and actually has began to roll but because of the negativity here it might not be seen. We will see. One CC member has an appointment with Ken on this upcoming week. I know who, but you do not. Let's see if you find out, I will not say unless the person wants me to.

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                            onwalker78,

                            i am happy you feel you were cured by ken.

                            the answer to your last post is easy,why dont you and ken start your own website with your own fundraising efforts.

                            any attempt to reduce dr.youngs contributions to our sci community on his web site are the sign of a desperate disingenuous clown.

                            my son is a 16 year old c5/6 asia a complete and he can do everything you show on your videos and more,without a magical footrub intervention.

                            you have not shown me a single "return" that is not normal with a moderate therapy program.the only thing miraculous about you is your ability to stretch a lie into the truth and it has worn thin.

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                              Originally posted by Onwalker78 View Post
                              "Hi, I'm so and so, Ken changed my life in the following ways........"
                              Hi, I'm Mac. I visited Ken, and didn't get any return because as Ken said "Mac didn't give his 110% effort"
                              All I lost was a week of my life, and around $3,000.
                              Last edited by Mac85; 19 Feb 2011, 4:20 PM.
                              C5/C6 Complete since 08/22/09

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                                mr onwalker,
                                a person with a complete cord injury is not likely got get return with these techniques. who knows with an incomplete.
                                im sure I would benefit, because im incomplete, with some things firing and some things not, but some one who has a severed cord are not going to see much improvement other than what anyone would get from movement or human touch.
                                im really glad you are benefiting. from these sessions. im pretty sure though that you are not a complete sci patient, but an incomplete, and that is why you are having good results.
                                almost everyone showing their annoyance with your refusal to understand, is a complete. some even saw this person and got little out of it. that they didnt give their 100%, after paying 2-3 grand, is hooey, absolute hog slop.
                                it isn't a possible cure. that is the debate at hand. it may be something positive, and some in completes may have good improvements. that is very cool. im glad you got your monies worth, but you aren't cured. you get a butt sore that puts you in bed for a while, you will have to start over. I do see in general that you are looking healthier. putting on weight and some muscle. so obviously you giving it your all. but do you realize that you aren't being any nicer by not hearing people who have complete injuries and got no benefit from your practitioner?

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