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    https://www.researchgate.net/post/Sh...control_or_not

    Urologic status of 74 spinal cord injury patients from the 1976 Tangshan earthquake, and managed for over 20 years using the Cred? maneuver.
    Chang SM1, Hou CL, Dong DQ, Zhang H http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11035477

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      Originally posted by scimike View Post
      I think Jim also answered it earlier but Stem + PT did very well. This was a phase I so they will increase stem cell amount in the next trial combination with other things (lithium etc). They did not expect much in the trial because of phase I as all phase I trials are pretty much safety studies to make sure it is safe.
      The ChinaSCINet Phase II Trial was an escalating dose trial. From the Abstract- In HK, four participants received four 4-?L (1.6 million cells) injections into dorsal entry zones above and below the injury site and another four received 8-?L (3.2 million cells) injections. In KM, five groups of four participants received four 4-?L (1.6 million cells), 8-?L (3.2 million cells), 16-?L (6.4 million cells), 6.4 million cells plus 30mg/kg methylprednisolone (MP), or 6.4 million cells plus MP and a 6-week course of oral lithium carbonate.

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        Yesterday, Stemcells made decision to terminate the Company?s Phase II Pathway Study in spinal cord. http://investor.stemcellsinc.com/pho...ews&id=2173446

        SAD.
        Last edited by alan gong; 1 Jun 2016, 4:59 AM. Reason: add link

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          It's amazing that company goes under, and what Dr. Young and his team were able to do with far less funds, still moving forward. Probably helps doing it in China First Smart move

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            U.S. is expensive for sure. If there is a breakthrough with any kid of stem cells that made a chronic person stand up and walk a little then a lot of investors would be interested. Maybe I am expecting too much as I was thinking that floodgates would open up with stem cells but most of the trials are safety trials now. I think Grammy said or implied that stem cells have not cured any sickness yet as it is very new and it is in very early clinical trials.

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              You might educate yourselves guys. Many have sensation and cath. It is not a big deal once you get over the eeewww factor.

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                Thanks, good feedback. Bring on the sensation!

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                  China Trials Suggest Walking Can Unlock SCI Damage (Dr. Wise Young article)

                  http://www.newmobility.com/2016/07/china-trials/

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                    I can't believe that the training alone will get people walking, surely it can't be that easy?

                    However I want to try, worst case I spend a lot of money and get a bit fitter.

                    If I wanted to hire a physio and try and replicate the walking training then I suppose there is nothing to stop me.

                    Is the walking training documented anywhere or in a video etc so that I can look for a physio to work with me?
                    I can't imagine there are any near me in the UK who are trained, but it can't be that hard for them to learn.

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                      Originally posted by niallel View Post
                      I can't believe that the training alone will get people walking, surely it can't be that easy?

                      However I want to try, worst case I spend a lot of money and get a bit fitter.

                      If I wanted to hire a physio and try and replicate the walking training then I suppose there is nothing to stop me.

                      Is the walking training documented anywhere or in a video etc so that I can look for a physio to work with me?
                      I can't imagine there are any near me in the UK who are trained, but it can't be that hard for them to learn.
                      The cost to get a replication of the walking program in North America for a private patient would be ridiculous especially if you don't have good arm and/or core functio. If you want to do it you got to go to China!

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                        Originally posted by niallel View Post
                        I can't believe that the training alone will get people walking, surely it can't be that easy?

                        However I want to try, worst case I spend a lot of money and get a bit fitter.

                        If I wanted to hire a physio and try and replicate the walking training then I suppose there is nothing to stop me.

                        Is the walking training documented anywhere or in a video etc so that I can look for a physio to work with me?
                        I can't imagine there are any near me in the UK who are trained, but it can't be that hard for them to learn.
                        You might want to contact Prime Physio in Cambridge http://primephysio.co.uk they have a good reputation for SCI physio. It won't be cheap, I had a physio coming to my home to train my carers in ROM exercise, cost was ?50 per hour.

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                          Thanks, at those rates its about 47k sterling. I wonder how long someone needs to do the training to see if anything is happening.

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                            Originally posted by niallel View Post
                            Thanks, at those rates its about 47k sterling. I wonder how long someone needs to do the training to see if anything is happening.
                            You'd need to factor in access to specialist machines as well. Or a well equipped gym.

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                              I thought they just used ropes and a walker in the china trial?
                              I did get feedback from someone who knew that it was a bit primeval though.

                              If their way of getting you to walk is the right thing, then machines will be needed to get the cost down. Just I suppose those haven't been invented yet - and when they are they will be at the usual disgraceful disabled premium price :-(

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                                Is there any update from wise?

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