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  • #16
    Originally posted by Curt Leatherbee View Post
    Yes, exactly about evolution, I've said that many times myself over the years. Sometimes evolution really pisses me off the way it screwed up with Spinal Cord Injury. You'd think it woulda got the message what a nasty thing SCI is a long time ago and figured out a way to make our spinal cords heal.
    the truth is, before modern medicine SCI's didn't live long enough for evolution to develop a way to heal the spinal cord.

    We're stuck in that domain where nature would have us dead but science can only maintain our life but not restore us.
    Last edited by Eric.S; 05-09-2010, 10:34 PM.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Eric.S View Post
      really? like what if you care to elaborate....
      Hypnosis seems to help eliminate warts faster. In 1979, Lewis Thomas, a noted biologist and past president of Sloan-Kettering, in his book entitled "Lives of a Cell, described a study of 14 patients with large numbers of warts. He discussed this again in a second book, "The Medusa and the Snail". In the study that he cites, the patients were hypnotized to suggest that the warts on one side of the body would go away. They counted the warts before and at different times after the hypnotic session. In 9 of the 14 patients, all or nearly all the warts on the suggested side were gone whereas the control side had similar numbers of warts. One subject got confused between the left and right. He eliminated the warts on the wrong side. http://www.psywww.com/intropsych/ch1...o_effects.html

      Doctors have long known that their affect and how they present to patients make a big difference in how well their patients recover. If they are positive and confident, the patients do better. If they appear negative and confused, the patients don't do as well. Of course, there are all sorts of ameliorating circumstances and explanations for each case but few doctors would deny the beneficial effects of positive news.

      Wise.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Wise Young View Post
        Hypnosis seems to help eliminate warts faster. In 1979, Lewis Thomas, a noted biologist and past president of Sloan-Kettering, in his book entitled "Lives of a Cell, described a study of 14 patients with large numbers of warts. He discussed this again in a second book, "The Medusa and the Snail". In the study that he cites, the patients were hypnotized to suggest that the warts on one side of the body would go away. They counted the warts before and at different times after the hypnotic session. In 9 of the 14 patients, all or nearly all the warts on the suggested side were gone whereas the control side had similar numbers of warts. One subject got confused between the left and right. He eliminated the warts on the wrong side. http://www.psywww.com/intropsych/ch1...o_effects.html

        Doctors have long known that their affect and how they present to patients make a big difference in how well their patients recover. If they are positive and confident, the patients do better. If they appear negative and confused, the patients don't do as well. Of course, there are all sorts of ameliorating circumstances and explanations for each case but few doctors would deny the beneficial effects of positive news.

        Wise.
        the therapists and nursing staff should also be as informed...

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Curt Leatherbee View Post
          Yes, exactly about evolution, I've said that many times myself over the years. Sometimes evolution really pisses me off the way it screwed up with Spinal Cord Injury. You'd think it woulda got the message what a nasty thing SCI is a long time ago and figured out a way to make our spinal cords heal.
          Ah but you could argue that our natural path of evolution has been skewed by science and medicine.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Wise Young View Post
            Hypnosis seems to help eliminate warts faster. In 1979, Lewis Thomas, a noted biologist and past president of Sloan-Kettering, in his book entitled "Lives of a Cell, described a study of 14 patients with large numbers of warts. He discussed this again in a second book, "The Medusa and the Snail". In the study that he cites, the patients were hypnotized to suggest that the warts on one side of the body would go away. They counted the warts before and at different times after the hypnotic session. In 9 of the 14 patients, all or nearly all the warts on the suggested side were gone whereas the control side had similar numbers of warts. One subject got confused between the left and right. He eliminated the warts on the wrong side. http://www.psywww.com/intropsych/ch1...o_effects.html

            Doctors have long known that their affect and how they present to patients make a big difference in how well their patients recover. If they are positive and confident, the patients do better. If they appear negative and confused, the patients don't do as well. Of course, there are all sorts of ameliorating circumstances and explanations for each case but few doctors would deny the beneficial effects of positive news.

            Wise.
            Im involved in a documentary here in the UK whereby we are revealing that junior neurologists and consultants in the NHS are actually advised by their seniors to tell their patients to "get used to the wheelchair" and "you will probably never walk again" to all patients (except ones that have substantial return after the initial operation) and the effect that can have on ones recovery. Shocking stuff really.

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            • #21
              Fly_Pelican_Fly

              Originally posted by Fly_Pelican_Fly View Post
              Im involved in a documentary here in the UK whereby we are revealing that junior neurologists and consultants in the NHS are actually advised by their seniors to tell their patients to "get used to the wheelchair" and "you will probably never walk again" to all patients (except ones that have substantial return after the initial operation) and the effect that can have on ones recovery. Shocking stuff really.
              i believe in that
              if you get it aired will you let us see it for i know this was said to me .
              AS I SIT HERE IN MY CHAIR . I LOOK OUT UPON THE GROUND .I WONDER WILL I EVER GET UP AND WALK A ROUND ??


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              • #22
                Originally posted by skeaman View Post
                i believe in that
                if you get it aired will you let us see it for i know this was said to me .
                I believe they are negotiating with a number or broadcasting companies at present. I will post more when I know when and where it will be aired.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Fly_Pelican_Fly View Post
                  Ah but you could argue that our natural path of evolution has been skewed by science and medicine.
                  FPF, It is not science or medicine that skewed the path of evolution. That path is clear. In larger mammals, the average regeneration distance of motor or sensory axons is at least 365 mm, almost regardless of where the injury is located on the spinal cord. So, even if the animal were to evolve regeneration genes, recovery by regeneration will require a year or longer, too long an animal to survive to spread its regenerative genes by procreation. All the animals that can regenerate their spinal cords all have spinal cords that are less than 5 cm long. When we apply regenerative therapies, we are adding something that did not evolve.

                  Wise.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Wise Young View Post
                    In larger mammals, the average regeneration distance of motor or sensory axons is at least 365 mm, almost regardless of where the injury is located on the spinal cord.
                    Wise.
                    So I couldnt evolve "freakish" axons which regenerate faster and further?

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                    • #25
                      Whenever an ancient mammal was laying around slowly recovering from a spinal cord injury our ancestors probably ate them.
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                      I was hoping that this thread contained instructions on where to find the magic cure but no such luck. Does anyone else have one? Because that would be great right about now.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by skeaman View Post
                        i believe in that
                        if you get it aired will you let us see it for i know this was said to me .
                        Whatever the theories based on evolution, (and regardless of how many of our ancestors scored a good meal from recovering bigger mammals!) this is the ultimate defeatism that the allegedly smartest, though lest wise at times, creature on the planet should resist with all his strength and will. It is twaddle.

                        In rehab, a consultant told me he "never" says never. I had mentioned the case of a school friend whose grandfather was injured in WW1 would be told that he would "never walk again". Later he walked from Bournemouth to Torquay, and additionally went on to live an active life until well into his 80s.

                        These dismal doctors should be reminded of the saying "while I live, I hope".
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                        • #27
                          Having come in at the tail end of this thread, on picking up a recent addition to it, I found the original posts very interesting. I have heard of Edgar Cayce, but cannot profess a study of what he did.

                          Mention is made of what we may call faith healing, or to put it another way, mind over matter.

                          While sticking to strictly medical ethos, have I missed mention of double blind? This uses placebos, but the statistics are gathered from an independent arbiter: neither the patients nor their doctors know who got one or the other. As there are instances where alternative therapy gave positive results, we may draw further conclusions from that.

                          Having said that, what Manoulli asked about placebo being a therapeutic tool, I find interesting. At present, we cannot (and should not) be dogmatic either way. Only some are healed when visiting Lourdes.
                          Last edited by chris arnold; 03-02-2011, 08:46 AM. Reason: Additon made
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