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  • #16
    Originally posted by Wise Young View Post
    Somebody asked for the names of centers that are involved in NASCINet. So, far, we are discussing the clinical trial with the following organizations:

    • New Jersey Medical School and Kessler Institute of Rehabilitation.
    • Thomas Jefferson School of Medicine and Magee Rehabilitation.
    • Shriner's Hospital in Philadelphia
    • Brackenridge Hospital in Austin
    • Mt. Sinai Hospital in New York City
    • Long Island Jewish Hospital in Long Island
    • Shepard Rehabilitation Center in Atlanta, Georgia
    • Wayne State University in Detroit, Michigan
    • University of Colorado in Denver

    I want to emphasize that this is still at the stage of "discussion". We are having investigator meetings right now, exploring what can and cannot be done. The trials have been proposed to the investigators and we have had substantitive discussions. There are still major obstacles that must be overcome, including finalizing the clinical trial protocol, application for regulatory approval, training and vetting of the centers, and successful fundraising.

    I am in China now and about a dozen investigators from the centers will be attending meetings in Beijing and Kunming, to see what is being done in China and to participate in a consensus conference to determine the rehabilitation protocol can and should be in the United States for the trial.

    Wise.
    Thanks, Wise! I gotta say, I was hoping to see at least one west coast hospital on that list, but I'm sure there are reasons why not. In any case, it's super good news.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Wise Young View Post
      .

      NASCINet is focused on chronic spinal cord injury, which we define as more than a year after injury and at least 6 months of stable neurological status. NASCINet will be initially doing trials in parallel with ChinaSCINet, assessing umbilical cord blood mononuclear cell transplant and lithium.

      Wise.
      Good news. Thanks Wise.

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      • #18
        Any talks with Hopkins or University of Maryland?
        Alan

        Proofread carefully to see if you any words out.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Wise Young View Post
          Chaz, we will be training the investigators and initiating a 6-month observational trial this fall. The treatment phase of the trial begins in Q3 of 2010. We have set a very ambitious schedule of raising the funds, obtaining regulatory approval, organizing and training the centers, and recruiting the subjects in the coming 6 months. We developed the observational trial approach in the ChinaSCINet to obtain repeated examinations of the subjects over a 6 month period before initiating treatment.

          Wise.
          Hallo Dr.Young
          You are busy with this reaserch in China, why you are repeating the same trial? is it not better to use the money and energy to test another kind of possible treatment??
          Fr. regards

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Wise Young View Post
            Chaz, we will be training the investigators and initiating a 6-month observational trial this fall. The treatment phase of the trial begins in Q3 of 2010. We have set a very ambitious schedule of raising the funds, obtaining regulatory approval, organizing and training the centers, and recruiting the subjects in the coming 6 months. We developed the observational trial approach in the ChinaSCINet to obtain repeated examinations of the subjects over a 6 month period before initiating treatment.

            Wise.
            This sounds very exciting. I'll stay tuned on this thread for further information. Thank you.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by alipur View Post
              Hallo Dr.Young
              You are busy with this reaserch in China, why you are repeating the same trial? is it not better to use the money and energy to test another kind of possible treatment??
              Fr. regards
              We are doing the trial in the U.S. for two reasons. The first is that it is silly for Americans to travel to China for this clinical trial. The second is that the U.S. FDA requires two positive phase 3 trials to approve a therapy.

              Wise.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by alan View Post
                Any talks with Hopkins or University of Maryland?
                Not yet. Wise.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by kate View Post
                  Thanks, Wise! I gotta say, I was hoping to see at least one west coast hospital on that list, but I'm sure there are reasons why not. In any case, it's super good news.
                  Kate,

                  We have not been recruiting centers at all. Originally, we had intended to just do a local network around NJ, NY, and PA. However, it turned out that many centers were interested and we decided to expand. More centers mean more work and cost. About 8 centers will be sufficient for us to do the initial trial.

                  Wise.

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                  • #24
                    china sci network

                    I don't understand- China's gymnast hero sustained a devastating sci before the olympics even began, and doctors tell her she'll never, ever walk. She should've been in the thick of clinical trials, I am confused.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by cdurfee99 View Post
                      I don't understand- China's gymnast hero sustained a devastating sci before the olympics even began, and doctors tell her she'll never, ever walk. She should've been in the thick of clinical trials, I am confused.
                      cdurfee99,

                      Are you referring to the Chinese dancer Liu Yan, who was featured in the New York Times article and suffered spinal cord injury in rehearsals for the Olympics Opening Ceremony? I spent a day with her last year and discussed all the options with her. She is working hard to extending her recovery. I am hopeful that she will recover more.

                      By the way, the ChinaSCINet and NASCINet trials are for chronic spinal cord injury and she would be eligible for the trials when she is more than one year after injury.

                      Wise.

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                      • #26
                        some very interesting news here.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Wise Young View Post
                          cdurfee99,

                          Are you referring to the Chinese dancer Liu Yan, who was featured in the New York Times article and suffered spinal cord injury in rehearsals for the Olympics Opening Ceremony? I spent a day with her last year and discussed all the options with her. She is working hard to extending her recovery. I am hopeful that she will recover more.

                          By the way, the ChinaSCINet and NASCINet trials are for chronic spinal cord injury and she would be eligible for the trials when she is more than one year after injury.

                          Wise.

                          This is very excting news Dr. Young. I know the anticipation and anxiety of chronics are buiding extensively. You can read between the lines in the posts and feel the hardship in their hearts. I know because I am one of them. But don't buy into the BS and naysayers that want to not believe that your doing everything in your power to make this happen. If everyone in the community can donate and ask their family and friends to donate as much as possible we can make this happen..

                          Dont forget la la dates..
                          Birds Fly in Flocks, but Eagles Fly Alone...

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                          • #28
                            omg

                            Finally something I can believe in and support. Been waiting for this............................


                            I am all the way with this group! Thanks Wise. I needed this.


                            VERY HAPPY!!
                            Birds Fly in Flocks, but Eagles Fly Alone...

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by spidergirl View Post
                              This is very excting news Dr. Young. I know the anticipation and anxiety of chronics are buiding extensively. You can read between the lines in the posts and feel the hardship in their hearts. I know because I am one of them. But don't buy into the BS and naysayers that want to not believe that your doing everything in your power to make this happen. If everyone in the community can donate and ask their family and friends to donate as much as possible we can make this happen..

                              Dont forget la la dates..
                              Hey, spidergirl. I just sent Jim Bennett to the airport. I am staying in Kunming till tomorrow. They really try to drink all the American neurosurgeons until the table last night but I think that good old USA stood their ground. Our Kunming hosts were so hospitable, it was embarassing. The night before, after a very intense day in the operating room, observing three cases of myelotomy or cell transplants and an intense debate over what the best locomotor training program should be, we had a raucous dinner. The Chinese side of the room (we had the Chinese neurosurgeons on our side) was drowned out the American side until the American started coming over. They have invented a whole new approach to drinking here.

                              It was great for the the top people from Kessler, Shepard, and Magee to see people walking 6 hours a day, six days a week. People were really skeptical. Also, I was really gratified that the five neurosurgeons that we had with us all agreed that the procedure was pretty reasonable. Well, we shall see. In the coming fall, I will bring another group over. I don't know whether I would ever survive the drinking but I have noticed that my hosts are kindly "protecting" me by making sure that my glass is not completely filled and not coming to me as often for the toasting.

                              It was the first time that so many Americans have come to China to a military hospital to see what they are doing for spinal cord injury 8in China. I will let the people themselves tell other what they saw and concluded.

                              Wise.

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                              • #30
                                Dr. Young,

                                In a previous post you wrote;

                                "It was great for the the top people from Kessler, Shepard, and Magee to see people walking 6 hours a day, six days a week"

                                Are you saying that you have treated people and they are now "able" to walk for six hours?

                                Did I misunderstand this?

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