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  • #61
    Neurogel

    Originally posted by lunasicc42 View Post
    that Neurogel video totally translated: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbg...araplegia_tech
    THIS LOOKS THE PART CAN ONE HERE SAY WHY WE SHOULD NOT BACK IT
    LETS GAVE IT LIFT
    AS I SIT HERE IN MY CHAIR . I LOOK OUT UPON THE GROUND .I WONDER WILL I EVER GET UP AND WALK A ROUND ??


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    • #62
      my only question is "why are the videos showing results, so old? ". Doesn't make sense
      "That's not smog! It's SMUG!! " - randy marsh, southpark

      "what???? , you don't 'all' wear a poop sac?.... DAMNIT BONNIE, YOU LIED TO ME ABOUT THE POOP SAC!!!! "


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      • #63
        Scientists successfully treat rats' injured spinal cords

        Prague, Feb 1 (CTK) - Czech scientists have succeeded in treating spinal cord chronic injuries in rats and want to start testing hydrogel with stem cells in people as soon as possible,

        http://praguemonitor.com/2010/02/02/...injured-spines

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        • #64
          Dr. Young

          What is you opinion on this clinical trials ?
          keep (rolling) Walking

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          • #65
            Scientists successfully treat rats' injured spinal cords

            I came across with this, any opinions?

            "Once hydrogel with stem cells was inserted inside an injured rat's spinal cord, new nerve fibres were created and the mobility and sensitiveness of the rat 's hind legs improved within half a year. (ČTK)"

            Prague, Feb 1 (CTK) - Czech scientists have succeeded in treating spinal cord chronic injuries in rats and want to start testing hydrogel with stem cells in people as soon as possible, Eva Sykova, from Science Academy Experimental Medicine Institute, told CTK yesterday.
            The experiment is financially supported by the French Association of Patients. French and Spanish patients are to participate in the clinical study of the new method.
            People with an injured spinal cord often end up in a wheelchair and the new method is a hope for them.
            If a hydrogel with stem cells was inserted in the place of an injury in a rat's spinal cord, new nerve fibres were created and the mobility and sensitiveness of its hind legs improved within half a year.
            "We expect the hydrogel with stem cells to be approved for clinical testing within a year and we will then immediately start checking it in people," Sykova said.
            She said the method will be applicable to injuries old even several years.
            "It has shown that neither cell stems alone nor hydrogels alone are sufficiently effective. Combination of minimally the two things, and in the future also probably of further factors is necessary," Sykova said.
            Don't ask what clinical trials can do for you, ask what you can do for clinical trials.

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            • #66
              I think this in the Neurogel thread
              "That's not smog! It's SMUG!! " - randy marsh, southpark

              "what???? , you don't 'all' wear a poop sac?.... DAMNIT BONNIE, YOU LIED TO ME ABOUT THE POOP SAC!!!! "


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              • #67
                Getting rats with severed spines to walk?

                This is getting to be the oldest trick in the book.

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                • #68
                  Snake oil in gel form.

                  Originally posted by TEION View Post
                  Prague, Feb 1 (CTK) - Czech scientists have succeeded in treating spinal cord chronic injuries in rats and want to start testing hydrogel with stem cells in people as soon as possible,

                  http://praguemonitor.com/2010/02/02/...injured-spines
                  Sorry to those who lost their dough donating to this farse.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Tim C. View Post
                    This is getting to be the oldest trick in the book.
                    What you mean? Like yet another lucky rat walking?
                    Don't ask what clinical trials can do for you, ask what you can do for clinical trials.

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                    • #70
                      why do you say it's a farse?
                      "That's not smog! It's SMUG!! " - randy marsh, southpark

                      "what???? , you don't 'all' wear a poop sac?.... DAMNIT BONNIE, YOU LIED TO ME ABOUT THE POOP SAC!!!! "


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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by lunasicc42 View Post
                        my only question is "why are the videos showing results, so old? ". Doesn't make sense
                        The old videos are not the convincing evidence. I have not yet seen what Eva Sykova has found and therefore will withhold opinion.

                        Wise.

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                        • #72
                          Why a farse?

                          Originally posted by lunasicc42 View Post
                          why do you say it's a farse?
                          Can go on denying for only so long.

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                          • #73
                            I've been hearing about spineless rats walking for the

                            past decade.
                            A new dog and pony show is needed.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by 0xSquidy View Post
                              I came across with this, any opinions?
                              OxSquidy,

                              I have posted about neurogel in other threads. It has been around for a long time, over 20 years. I wasn't convinced by data before that this material was that different from other biomaterials (such as matrigel) or self-assembling peptide (SAP) that have been used to repair the spinal cord.

                              The videos show cats that had weight support and stimulation, i.e. the person held the cat's by the tail and was probably squeezing the tail to stimulate the lower spinal cord to elicit stepping motions in the spinal cord. In some of the cases, I think that neurogel may have improved walking more than expected.

                              It is difficult to know how to apply the material to the human spinal cord. The studies that were carried out in the animals that you see in the vide, the investigator had transected the spinal cord and then used neurogel to connect the ends of the cord. This would be hard do or to justify in human.

                              I am interested to see what Eva Sykova found in the animals (presumably rats), what type of injury she used, and how she intends to use the material in humans. I think that most people should also reserve judgement until they can see the details of the results and the planned trials.

                              Wise.

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                              • #75
                                So just another "seems but it's not" new. I think i'll die and still don't understand why can a SCI be cured yet.

                                Thank you for your time Dr. Young.
                                Don't ask what clinical trials can do for you, ask what you can do for clinical trials.

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