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    #16
    Originally posted by Andy
    They gotta get the neophytes to think they are being smart and trendy buying a box of parts for 2x what a PC based machine would cost performance wise.
    Actually, Mac's prices/performance are pretty competitive/comparable these days. Go ahead, price compare based on system "parts". I think you'll find that Macs are sometimes even more bang for your buck when comparing off-the-shelf machines (using system options at time of purchase) Insulting people by calling them neophytes is ciunter-productive; you're condemning Mac-snobbery with your own snobbery as a PC expert/builder. You were a "neophyte" once too. I've never liked "Mac-snobs" and while I love Macs, I don't look down my nose at Windows users, and I even know from personal experience why people like PCs.

    Now, if you're talking about building your own machine, that's a different story. You might as well then admit that building your own machine is cheapr than buying a Dell or an HP, not just comparing building your own PC to buying a Mac. Then you're comparing apples and oranges because the whole concept of the Mac is using the OS on specific hardware. Apple makes/sells computers that use their own OS, not just an OS, not machines that are meant to only run an OS create by other companies. That said, having had and personally upgraded PCs over the years, I can see the appeal of being able to customize or even build your own machine from the ground up. That has always been a big positive when it comes to Windows machines.

    But most people just want to buy a computer, plug it in, and have it just work, not build their own. A "neophyte" isn't going to want to build their own computer, and I'd argue that the easiest computer for a "neophyte" is the Mac, no need to be trendy or cool. Smart, maybe.
    Last edited by Scorpion; 18 Feb 2007, 4:31 PM.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Scorpion
      You've done that, or you're planning to? I know you are a Mac-person but didn't realize you had done (or were considering) the Bootcamp/Windows thing.

      I think using Parallels would be much cooler than re-booting all the time, as long as there was 2gigs of RAM.

      Ah well, I'm stuck for now using my G4 iMac and G4 iBook.
      I need to.

      I am a mac person since the days of the Apple IIe. I kinda miss the flying toaster screensavers from college the first time around.... *sigh*

      Anywho. I ran into problems in transcription class while in college this last time around and found I needed to have windows (I tried running a shell, but it didn't work well). So, I would boot my husband off his computer so much to the point that he built me one. That computer ended up being used as a server for lan parties. Now Jello has it.

      In addition to my day job, I teach at the local community college. For the last year I have been using my G4 Powerbook just fine. This semester I am teaching an online class. The website interface that I have to use just hates my mac. It's suppsoed to work with Safari, but doesn't. Doesn't like Firefox for Mac either. Once again for creating context, tests etc online I was booting my husband off his pc. (I also find I can't open the papers my students write, so they can't use the dropbox within the online class software. They send up emailing them to me, I c/p out of the email, format in office X, then print as a pdf and mail it back to them.) Then, the software that comes with my textbooks doesn't run on a mac. Once again, I am booting Boog off his pc to generate tests for the campus classes. To say it's a pain in the ass is an understatement.

      This is the only time I need a PC. I have a dvi-analog converter so I can use my mac @ school w/their projector for presentations, so that hasn't really stopped me.

      Now, within the last 2-3 weeks my poor G4 has started having hardware problems and I think it's about to die. I don't have the funds right now to purchase the MacBook Pro that I want. If I got the whole tax return, I would. Alas, Boog and I agreed that it was his turn to get a good laptop with it. I guess what I am going to do now is buy a windows laptop, then next year get my maxxed out MacBook. My son will be hitting high school by then and I can give him the windows laptop. I always told him he would get a laptop for high school.

      In a perfect world, I would get the MB Pro now, and grab a copy of windows--just like you said. If it weren't for Boog's laptop not being able to handle his astrophotography, he wouldn't be getting a new one and I could do it this year.

      I guess it's about time for my G4 TiBook to bite the bullet. It turns 6yo this year and the lid/screen is held together with JB weld.
      http://official-linerider.com/index.html

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        #18
        Originally posted by Jadis
        In addition to my day job, I teach at the local community college. For the last year I have been using my G4 Powerbook just fine. This semester I am teaching an online class. The website interface that I have to use just hates my mac. It's suppsoed to work with Safari, but doesn't. Doesn't like Firefox for Mac either. Once again for creating context, tests etc online I was booting my husband off his pc.
        What CMS do you use?

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          #19
          Jadis, I hear ya. I have a TiBook from the '02 era. It's still running, but it can't keep up with everything. A Dual G5 Powermac is my work machine, still running Panther in anticipation for Leopard soon.

          I have a number of work-related things that I need(ed) a Windows-based machine for. If I had an Intel Mac, I'd just drop a copy of XP on it, but I don't have one, nor was I about to plunk down the cash for one when the G5 is pretty pimped out already. I ended up buying an Alienware Sentia m3450. They start @ $950 and are spiffy little laptops. All I upgraded was the optical drive to a DVD burner. For the bottom-end of their lineup, it's still fast (Core 2 Duo, 1.66ghz). I have a Vista Business upgrade coming in a few weeks - dunno if I'll run it or not. The notebook has a gig of ram in it & will prob. need another for Vista, but I figured I'd save some coin and order it from Newegg later if I need it vs. paying Alienware for it.

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            #20
            Mac has around a 4% market share and I think this community makes up the majority of that. You guys are so cute .

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              #21
              Originally posted by Scorpion
              Insulting people by calling them neophytes is ciunter-productive; you're condemning Mac-snobbery with your own snobbery as a PC expert/builder. You were a "neophyte" once too.

              I'd argue that the easiest computer for a "neophyte" is the Mac, no need to be trendy or cool. Smart, maybe.
              Wow, that sure brought out the Mac inferiority complex, didnt it? LOL. I dunno, I'd feel kind of insulted if my computer vendor of choice marketed their product as somewhat of a fashion statement. It would make me feel like that vendor thinks I have a box of rocks in my head. But to each his own. While Macs have their purpose, I like something that isnt so proprietary with limited software (for my uses) and something that I can dick with to make it a hot rod. You have your uses for your Mac...but I wont hold it against you.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Scorpion
                No, but I'm looking forward to it.


                Woohoo!
                Hey Scorpion!

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Davey
                  Mac has around a 4% market share and I think this community makes up the majority of that. You guys are so cute .
                  Nice try!! Yes, we know we're cute!
                  muah haahaahahaaa

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                    #24
                    The hard part of comparing Macs to PC's is that only 3 systems run desktop hardware.... The rest is laptop stuff.

                    I really haven't used a Mac in about 4 years, Os9, but as an OS is just a tool to run games and browse porn, anyone will do.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Jadis
                      I am a mac person since the days of the Apple IIe. I kinda miss the flying toaster screensavers from college the first time around.... *sigh*
                      Hello Jadis,

                      It looks like the Flying Toaster screensavers are back!
                      The test of success is not what you do when you are on top. Success is how high you bounce when you hit the bottom
                      --General George Patton

                      Complex problems need to be solved collectively.
                      ––Paul Nussbaum
                      usc87.blogspot.com

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Patonb
                        I really haven't used a Mac in about 4 years, Os9, but as an OS is just a tool to run games and browse porn, anyone will do.
                        LOL! I'm glad someone around here admits to the true purpose of a computer.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by PN
                          Hello Jadis,

                          It looks like the Flying Toaster screensavers are back!
                          lmao, thanks!
                          http://official-linerider.com/index.html

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Davey
                            Mac has around a 4% market share and I think this community makes up the majority of that. You guys are so cute .
                            Higher market share does not translate into a better product.

                            Andy - if you'd read and comprehended my post, you'd realize I don't have any Mac inferiority complex, nor do I hate or slam Windows. I just believe from personal experience of using both Mac and Windows machines that the Mac is a better OS, and the proprietary hardware is not an issue for me. Actually, it's a benefit for my tastes. Have you actually used a Mac for any serious length of time? That's how I came to my opinion. Also, I conceeded and said I completely understand why Windows machines have their appeal, particularly for guys like you who want to customize, build a hot rod, etc. If anyone here has their panties in a bunch, it's you. I'm not offended by the Apple Mac commercials, and if you didn't take yourself and your computer preferences so seriously, you might even crack a smile watching them. Hyperbole aside, there is truth in those ads. But like most all advertising, there is hype that needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

                            As for your lack of software argument, the only area this is true is in regards to games. And I have no problem telling you that I'd enjoy building a hotrod Windows based gaming machine, if I had the time and money.

                            Sorry, but I have no desire to compare cock-size with you. You're barking up the wrong tree. I actually understand why you dig PCs (and I explained that in my previous post), but despite the fact that I love the Mac, I'm not the Steve Jobs worshipper you'd like to think all Mac people are, just as I'm sure you're not a member of the Bill Gates fanclub. And for that matter, I don't hate or deify either guy; they're both shrewd business men with a passion for computers but different ideas about how computers should be used and implemented. But I digress. And yes, my Mac has a purpose; I make a living with it. Not that there's anything wrong with games and porn.

                            Paton - It's really not that hard to compare Pc to Mac now that Macs use Intel chips. Granted, it's hard to compare to PCs running AMD chips, but you can easily compare hardware set-ups for Intel based machines. I've found Macs can be cheaper than Dells for example.

                            Mac OS9 was a decent OS but I found Windows XP Pro to be more stable at the time. MacOSX, however, blows away OS9 and Windows XP in my opinion; the most stable OS I've used, the easiest to use, etc etc,

                            But I have to disagree with you on one point, not just any computer will do for playing games and surfing porn. Windows machines are by far the better choice for gamers, especially hardcore gamers.
                            Last edited by Scorpion; 19 Feb 2007, 12:13 AM.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Scorpion
                              Andy - if you'd read and comprehended my post,
                              If anyone here has their panties in a bunch, it's you. if you didn't take yourself and your computer preferences so seriously, you might even crack a smile watching them. Sorry, but I have no desire to compare cock-size with you. You're barking up the wrong tree.
                              I just love the way you throw stuff like this within your replies. I know I have quite the knack for riling up some people, but dont extrapolate my intent, it's all talking shop around here, nothing personal dude!

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                                #30
                                I was talking shop, Andy; I even addressed the question of the original post, suggesting a Mac may not be the best choice for someone who uses Dragon a lot, especially for word processing. I didn't take anything anyone said personally except maybe you saying I had some kind of Mac-inferiority complex. Hence, my response and the reference to comparing cock-size. No big deal.

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