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    hey someone part this for me and tell me how much it'd cost. :)

    hey Andy, you have time to play at work - hook a brutha up and build / price something out for me.

    I've been avoiding this for a while, thought about getting a laptop, but sometime or another I need to just bite the bullet and build a Windows box. I've got two Macs (one dying.. haha) but business needs necessitate Windows at times. Yeah, I could get an Intel Mac but I don't need another Mac at the moment, plus I'm pretty sure I can get more for my money by just building a system for what I need. I don't want an emulator (Parallels, etc).

    Primary uses:

    - design testing on IE
    - MS Office
    - Quickbooks
    - ProShow - www.photodex.com
    - SWiSH - www.swishzone.com
    ...and other little windows-only apps.

    I don't know anything about the Vista stuff. I just need a system that runs what I need it to. What's the deal with Vista anyway? Will it run all the XP apps w/o issue?

    Hardware requirements:

    - plenty of HDD space; at least 2 seperate drives, one being in the 300+ gb range, one for system/application use (size doesn't really matter - most bang for buck I guess).

    - plenty of RAM. I have 1.5gb of PC2700 DDR lying around but I think it might be too old to use w/ current stuff?

    - I don't care about processor speed as long as it keeps a decent pace. What's mid-range? This won't be used for gaming. I've always felt that RAM makes more difference.

    - DVD-R drive, perhaps w/ Lightscribe. Don't care about RW capability.

    - WiFi/Bluetooth

    - gigabit ethernet, don't care if it's integrated on MB.

    - dual monitor outputs, at least one being DVI. If one is VGA and on the MB, I don't care.

    - tv tuner card w/ a remote & 5.1 surround output (just because. )

    - quiet case/fan. nothing fancy, but nothing too boring.

    Thoughts? How inexpensively can I build this for? Would it be cheaper to just go through Dell/wherever when considering software (OS, office, etc) too?

    TIA...

    #2
    You can buy a cheap dell desktop online with windows xp media center edition or XP pro and office for less then what it would cost to throw a windows machine together. Conservitivly you are looking at spending close to 800+ to build one out right depending on what you can get away with not buying cause you already have on hand like monitors, keyboards, mice, hard drives etc.
    Teyrn

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      #3
      yup, just over $800 sans monitor/keyboard/etc w/ a media center case (I like this idea, would fit well w/ other stuff)... could probably get it under $800 if I tried... not too bad. I left out any extra A/V options; I have a 7.1 channel usb sound card for my laptop that I can use.

      See link.. thoughts? It's been a while since I pieced one together; what am I forgetting?

      https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion...ndows+box+0107

      ETA: bummer, I forgot a 2nd display output + bluetooth. hmm...
      Last edited by -scott-; 22 Jan 2007, 7:11 PM.

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        #4
        Ahh, I see you are shopping at my favorite place. I have a few thoughts about the stuff you spec'ed out, let me piece together a list and I'll post it. You basically are looking for cheap, quiet, 2 monitors, and nothing really taxing like video encoding/games/pre-press operations or anything like that, right?

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          #5
          Originally posted by Scott Pruett

          I don't know anything about the Vista stuff. I just need a system that runs what I need it to. What's the deal with Vista anyway? Will it run all the XP apps w/o issue?
          Hi, Scott.

          Vista 32 bit should run all the applications that work on Windows XP, without any issues or problems. Vista 64 bit is another story, and so don't even think about it. I would recommend getting XP Media Center or Professional, and then use the Windows Vista coupon to upgrade to Home Premium or Business. I believe there are seven versions of Vista. For Vista, you will need 1GB of RAM and the sweet spot is probably 2GB of RAM.

          Windows Vista is still a bit of an unknown quantity, but I think it will give the user more security,and less freedom than Windows XP because of the AACS (Advanced Access Content System).
          Last edited by PN; 22 Jan 2007, 8:32 PM.
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            #6
            Originally posted by Andy
            Ahh, I see you are shopping at my favorite place. I have a few thoughts about the stuff you spec'ed out, let me piece together a list and I'll post it. You basically are looking for cheap, quiet, 2 monitors, and nothing really taxing like video encoding/games/pre-press operations or anything like that, right?
            That's basically the gist of it. I'd just be using it for business apps, backup of work from my Mac (hence the gigabit req't), and some entertainment. There's nothing terribly CPU-intensive that I'd do w/ this machine. There would be some minor video encoding, but more so in the form of creating slideshows for DVD-video business cards (click the ProShow link above). It's nothing like full-out video though.

            The two monitor req't is just for fun. Realistically I'll run one monitor and send video/etc to a projector through the other output. The case chosen will blend with a receiver & cd changer I've got already..

            Thanks for any input you've got.

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              #7
              Originally posted by PN
              Hi, Scott.

              Vista 32 bit should run all the applications that work on Windows XP, without any issues or problems. Vista 64 bit is another story, and so don't even think about it. I would recommend getting XP Media Center or Professional, and then use the Windows Vista coupon to upgrade to Home Premium or Business. I believe there are seven versions of Vista. For Vista, you will need 1GB of RAM and the sweet spot is probably 2GB of RAM.

              Windows Vista is still a bit of an unknown quantity, but I think it will give the user more security,and less freedom than Windows XP because of the AACS (Advanced Access Content System).
              Thanks Paul... good to know! I'll still be using my Mac (dual G5, 2gb ram) for the more intensive programs (e.g. Photoshop).

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                #8
                I started to look into the base C2D CPU on a 965G chipset board from Intel for super-duper stability, somewhat future proof, etc, and then looked closer at what you got spec'ed now. It seemed that I already started going overboard, so I'll just add that those small fans in that case make me think noise...but you have that PS with 2 fans, so maybe use those instead. Also check out the Seagate 7200.10 320G hard drives. More space for cheaper than what you have listed now. Also get a full 2 gig for that Vista thing, especially if you are going to do the Media Center/free Vista Home Premium route. Check into if that onboard video has 512MB memory addressable with DirectX 9 support...I remember reading something that the fancy Vista Home Premium GUI will want this for it to be enabled.

                Or, maybe just get some cheapo Dell box, they have a great price point if you are looking for a base machine.

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                  #9
                  Thanks Andy.

                  I priced a C2D setup, and the processor itself costs more than the current processor/MB combo that I already found. Additionally, the MB will support a C2D chip should I find a need to upgrade. If not, I'm out $100ish for both if I replace them. Not earth-shattering.

                  Good point on the storage/ram. I was just aiming for price, didn't give a lot of thought to either of those. I've already filled (well, to the point that I don't want to overfill them) 2 300gb drives on the G5, but this machine would serve different purposes.

                  I was going to add an add'l video card w/ DVI support. I'm not too concerned with the onboard stuff, as that would just feed into a lower-res projector.

                  As for going with a cheapo Dell box - yeah, I haven't ruled that out.
                  It's just more fun to play with the build if I go with a Win box, and it shouldn't cost me that much more to get a system with more of what I'd be looking for.

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                    #10
                    ttt.

                    Added more junk / made changes to the wishlist, price went up. Andy - thoughts on the current?

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Scott Pruett
                      ttt.

                      Added more junk / made changes to the wishlist, price went up. Andy - thoughts on the current?
                      I just go down the line...

                      Silverstone case...quality stuff, if you like the looks and want the HTPC style, I'd say good idea.

                      2 60mm fans...I see you got a pair that are 1k rpm slower than the ones that come with the case...dont bother with them. If you find the stock fans too noisy, you can undervolt them and run them at 7 volts by wiring them to the 12 and 5 volt leads.

                      It sort of sounds like you might want to upgrade to C2D maybe in the future...and now the madness begins...

                      Memory: $60 more will get you this:
                      http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231114
                      Seems this is the recently discovered very good overclockable memory for cheap (gives you the needed bandwidth when messing with the FSB speeds to overclock that C2D). OC'ing is stupid easy with massive gains using the C2D, so if you buy one, you will probably take the free horsepower available in these CPU's

                      On this same train of thought...$62 more will get you this:
                      http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131030
                      This will work great for a nice easy OC for that C2D using the stock Intel cooler and cooling capacity of the case you picked. I'd say maybe 30% more MHz just using the Intel cooler and the thermal solution of that case

                      And while you are at it, might as well just get a C2D:
                      http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115005
                      For a mere $89.00 more you can have one

                      Check into that new Allendale version of the C2D, I notice that they have a slower FSB stock, so maybe you will be able to use dirt cheap memory and still overclock nicely as the multipliers are boosted to get the CPU speed in this series it would seem. That might save a nice chunk of $ on the memory purchase.

                      Oh yeah, maybe change that DVD burner to a SATA variety, no big IDE cables to block airflow in that case. 20x is meaningless if the media isnt cooperating.

                      I'm unclear why you have a gigabit router and a wireless card. You wont get gigabit over that wireless, unless you are using that $$ router for some other computers hardwired?

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                        #12
                        Hey thanks!

                        Originally posted by Andy
                        I just go down the line...

                        Silverstone case...quality stuff, if you like the looks and want the HTPC style, I'd say good idea.
                        check.

                        2 60mm fans...I see you got a pair that are 1k rpm slower than the ones that come with the case...dont bother with them. If you find the stock fans too noisy, you can undervolt them and run them at 7 volts by wiring them to the 12 and 5 volt leads.
                        okay... figured at the cost + the reviews saying they were quieter, I'd toss them in. If undervolting the stock ones is easy, I'll do that.

                        It sort of sounds like you might want to upgrade to C2D maybe in the future...and now the madness begins...

                        Memory: $60 more will get you this:
                        http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231114
                        Seems this is the recently discovered very good overclockable memory for cheap (gives you the needed bandwidth when messing with the FSB speeds to overclock that C2D). OC'ing is stupid easy with massive gains using the C2D, so if you buy one, you will probably take the free horsepower available in these CPU's

                        On this same train of thought...$62 more will get you this:
                        http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131030
                        This will work great for a nice easy OC for that C2D using the stock Intel cooler and cooling capacity of the case you picked. I'd say maybe 30% more MHz just using the Intel cooler and the thermal solution of that case

                        And while you are at it, might as well just get a C2D:
                        http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115005
                        For a mere $89.00 more you can have one

                        Check into that new Allendale version of the C2D, I notice that they have a slower FSB stock, so maybe you will be able to use dirt cheap memory and still overclock nicely as the multipliers are boosted to get the CPU speed in this series it would seem. That might save a nice chunk of $ on the memory purchase.
                        haha... you're a turd. I don't know if I'll up these specs... still have $$$ in software to factor in, and I don't *need* that extra speed. I can spend ~$200 elsewhere & still have this thing do everything I need it to.

                        Oh yeah, maybe change that DVD burner to a SATA variety, no big IDE cables to block airflow in that case. 20x is meaningless if the media isnt cooperating.
                        good call. I didn't pay att'n to the connector here.

                        I'm unclear why you have a gigabit router and a wireless card. You wont get gigabit over that wireless, unless you are using that $$ router for some other computers hardwired?
                        My "office" is in the basement, while the cable modem + wireless router are upstairs. Wireless card = Internet. Gigabit router = network between the Mac & this box (unless I can run a cable straight between them? I can w/ 2 Macs, but I didn't think this was possible Mac <--> PC)

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Scott Pruett
                          Hey thanks!

                          check.

                          okay... figured at the cost + the reviews saying they were quieter, I'd toss them in. If undervolting the stock ones is easy, I'll do that.

                          haha... you're a turd. I don't know if I'll up these specs... still have $$$ in software to factor in, and I don't *need* that extra speed. I can spend ~$200 elsewhere & still have this thing do everything I need it to.

                          good call. I didn't pay att'n to the connector here.

                          My "office" is in the basement, while the cable modem + wireless router are upstairs. Wireless card = Internet. Gigabit router = network between the Mac & this box (unless I can run a cable straight between them? I can w/ 2 Macs, but I didn't think this was possible Mac <--> PC)
                          Would elsewhere be Dell? I'm all for that when you consider easy getting, warranty, stuff working out of the box, etc. The question is the case, but they are making some small BTX format machines now too, dunno if that would work for you though. Just keep an eye out for what they are charging you for memory, they like overcharging for that. Might be better to get the minimum and buy elsewhere. I'm not all that knowledgeable about the general computing possibilities so I really cant help with what is best in that arena, I've been just researching the speedster-type machines and parts for the past few months. I'm not sure if you can wire two PC's together, seems maybe a special loop though cable could be used connecting the rx and tx together between the two ends vs. having a router do that function, but I am an idiot when it comes to this topic. Anyone else know if you can 10bt cable together 2 PC's (mac should follow standard network protocol too?)?

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                            #14
                            Nah, what I meant by the elsewhere statement was simply that if I didn't spend > $200 more for the parts you mentioned, I'd be able to spend that money on other stuff, e.g. software.

                            This is primarily for business; I pay a little closer attention to costs when other things like marketing, etc. turn out to be expenses that come out of the same pot...

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                              #15
                              I gave up and went back to the laptop idea. This is first & formost for work... realized I was still going overboard with some stuff and that I'd still need portability sometime this year anyway, as both my bro and I will be using this thing. Oh well, maybe later on a more fun box.

                              For now, a C2D Alienware Sentia m3450 is on its way.

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