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  • CNA Background checks???

    I desperately need your help please? I can no longer afford to hire cna's from agencies due to the high cost.

    I am now researching how to hire my own private cna's. What kind of background checks do you do? I know I need to check references but we all know those can be easily fabricated.

    What else should I do to check credentials and keep safe? I could require them to bring a copy of their police report from their current town where they live, that would show criminal activity from that current state, but what if they were a mass murderer from another state?

    To obtain a nationwide criminal check, wouldn't that have to be done by the FBI? What do you require when you hire outside help to come into your home?

    Both my husband and I are disabled and we feel like we are sitting targets! Not a good feeling at all. I am really dreading this and sometimes I feel like just giving up. Struggle struggle struggle!!!

    Thanks for any help that you can provide.

  • #2
    I've never needed to hire an aide, but I can understand your concern. Get information about their latest employers and call them. You can then double check their SS# and ask what address of residence is listed in the employees records. It also probably wouldn't hurt to ask about problems such as tardiness, or excessive time taken off of work.

    I would request that they bring you a copy of their DMV printout, and current vehicle registration. Also, where they live, landlord, and length of time lived at that address. If it is less than a few years, I would request their previous residence & landlord information. Also, check court records in the county where they live, or used to live for dui, or drug arrests/charges.

    There are many companies that do background checks on the internet for under $50 dollars. It might not hurt to use one of them, but don't just stop at that. Check on your own as much as possible. You might be surprised what you can find out by just "googling" a person's name.

    Good luck! I hope someone who has experience in this area can give you some pointers.
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    • #3
      Definitely check references!

      http://www.zabasearch.com/
      The test of success is not what you do when you are on top. Success is how high you bounce when you hit the bottom
      --General George Patton

      Complex problems need to be solved collectively.
      ––Paul Nussbaum
      usc87.blogspot.com

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      • #4
        I have a friend who is a licensed PI. She will do these checks for less than $100. I have referred a number of clients to her. As a PI she has access to national databases that you cannot get into. The first thing she does it to check if their SS# is valid. She says this is the most common problem she finds (often because the person is an illegal immigrant). The clients I have referred to her have been very satisfied with her work. You can undoubtably find someone in your area who can do the same.

        Definitely check references, and always insist on the most recent employer as a reference.

        Keep in mind that many good PCAs (personal care attendants) are not CNAs. A CNA (certified nursing assistant) is state certified, but it is not required that you hire someone who is a CNA if you are doing private hire. Many of the best PCAs are not CNAs or HHAs (home health aides). In my experience, most CNAs and HHAs have no training at all in SCI care, so that is no guarantee you will get what you need, and those who are not CNAs are more likely to treat you like an employer and not like a "patient".

        (KLD)
        The SCI-Nurses are advanced practice nurses specializing in SCI/D care. They are available to answer questions, provide education, and make suggestions which you should always discuss with your physician/primary health care provider before implementing. Medical diagnosis is not provided, nor do the SCI-Nurses provide nursing or medical care through their responses on the CareCure forums.

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        • #5
          You can also try this site (https://www.ncnar.org/index1.jsp) Click on verify listings in the center bottom of the page. You'll need their Social Security number. It will in fact tell you if they are in the cna registry and if they have or have not substantiated finding of resident abuse, resident neglect or misappropriation of resident property. Oh, it is free.

          I hope this helps... D
          I'm not short im funsized!

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          • #6
            Thank you!

            Thank you for your replies. They were very helpful. Here goes ... wish me luck!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by PN
              Definitely check references!

              http://www.zabasearch.com/
              why is it that some people are listed at every address they've lived at, while others you enter names of have nolisting at all. how do you keep your name and address from appearing on these public information searches.

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              • #8
                Hi Liz,

                I'm just the messenger. I don't know why some people are listed, along with where they have lived, and others are not on the radar. For the other concern, take a look at what Zaba recommends.
                The test of success is not what you do when you are on top. Success is how high you bounce when you hit the bottom
                --General George Patton

                Complex problems need to be solved collectively.
                ––Paul Nussbaum
                usc87.blogspot.com

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                • #9
                  mama mia!!!

                  well, i interviewed a personal care assistant here at home yesterday, my first one. what a big mistake i made by interviewing her here at my house!!!

                  no real experience, other than caring for her daughter who had been brain injuried, but i thought she would be trainable. she had recently lost her two children in tragic accidents as well as her marriage of 30 years ending.

                  i thought to go through all of that and still to be trying to survive, she deserved a chance. (i was able to verify all of the above through a simple google search on her name before she got here.)

                  well.............................................. .......................
                  she interviewed very well. after she left i contacted several of her references and found out that she's a thief, she steals peoples identities, she makes her living by moving in with people (she asked me during the interview if i would consider live in!) and robbing them blind, she steals checks and credit cards, has mental problems, even steals from her family, has a long police record, etc.

                  plus she's a meth drug addict!!! (i wondered why she was 55 and looked 85.)

                  lesson learned--

                  1. NEVER interview at home again!! instead meet at local mcdonald's. then

                  2. check references and do background search BEFORE allowing them to know where i live, come into my house, or even have my telephone number!!!

                  this has really scared me and made me think that i should only use people
                  through agencies. but then whose to know if the agency has REALLY screened them well? i'm going to ask in the future to see a screening file on the employee if i use an agency.

                  i guess the name of the game is ...
                  caution, caution, caution!!!
                  Last edited by PwMS; 09-16-2007, 10:23 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by PN
                    Hi Liz,

                    I'm just the messenger. I don't know why some people are listed, along with where they have lived, and others are not on the radar. For the other concern, take a look at what Zaba recommends.
                    That PO Box route seems to work unless it's a military APO or FPO. This truly sucks! I fiddled with some of my old info and I'd say never (like we didn't know this before) take out a VA or FHA mortgage. All those home equity loan calls are because the government sells our info to lending companies. How they get other info, if you want to pay a lot, is probably from background checks if you have a sensitive position. You might fall under that one.

                    And I found one birth certificate for someone that obviously wasn't cross filed to a death certificate. In other words, someone out there is not who they say they are but they have a ton of backup based on a birth certificate to prove they are the new person. This is why infants now have social security numbers.
                    Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "I will try again tomorrow."

                    Disclaimer: Answers, suggestions, and/or comments do not constitute medical advice expressed or implied and are based solely on my experiences as a SCI patient. Please consult your attending physician for medical advise and treatment. In the event of a medical emergency please call 911.

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                    • #11
                      The biggest thing to remember is that 99% of CNAs have 0 SCI training! YOU DON'T NEED A CNA! Get referances, check them throughly! You must feel good about this person. Very, very good. You can probably do all the training yourself.
                      Dave E. C6-7 Incomp. Quad 9-06

                      "NEVER LOSE SIGHT OF YOUR DREAMS!"
                      "THERE IS NOTHING BETTER FOR THE INSIDE OF A MAN / WOMAN THAN THE OUTSIDE OF A HORSE"

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                      • #12
                        Might also contact your local police department and find out what resources are open and free in your state and where to find the sexual predator list. Then maybe try seeing if you can sit in on a how to find, hire and do the financial stuff class at your nearest rehab hospital. First thing they told us was always screen by phone then meet at a McDonalds.

                        Your county department on aging or aging and disabilities often has a list of PCAs but they can't insure everything they say is 100% true. MS support groups can also be a source of referrels and other help.
                        Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "I will try again tomorrow."

                        Disclaimer: Answers, suggestions, and/or comments do not constitute medical advice expressed or implied and are based solely on my experiences as a SCI patient. Please consult your attending physician for medical advise and treatment. In the event of a medical emergency please call 911.

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                        • #13
                          Re: CNA background checks and criminal records

                          Originally posted by PwMS
                          ...I am now researching how to hire my own private cna's. What kind of background checks do you do?

                          What else should I do to check credentials and keep safe? I could require them to bring a copy of their police report from their current town where they live, that would show criminal activity from that current state, but what if they were a mass murderer from another state?

                          To obtain a nationwide criminal check, wouldn't that have to be done by the FBI?
                          Having them bring their own police report is a good start, but anything they bring with them is something they can fake. It is best if you can obtain another police report, yourself, to double check whatever they bring you.

                          You really should have a job application that they must fill out in front of you so they do not have a chance to take it home and create even more convincing information. The application gives you something to cross reference to their resume, because their resume was prepared in advance.

                          Yes, you would need to check every city, county, and state in which the person ever traveled in order to do a complete background check on your own, but it is a good start to check the places listed on their application or resume. Start by looking for the State and County websites because they often link to their criminal records database.

                          The FBI does do nationwide criminal record checks based on fingerprints. A private citizen cannot request an FBI check on someone else. The subject person must make their own criminal history request to the FBI.
                          http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/fprequest.htm
                          (Certain organizations such as School districts, healthcare, and government agencies can request FBI check on volunteers and employees.)

                          Here are some resources for North Carolina. Each state will have some similar resources.
                          Official North Carolina state website is located at www.ncgov.com. This site is full of informative information on contacting state and county offices for your North Carolina background check.
                          Search Sex Offenders for the North Carolina from ncfindoffender.com
                          North Carolina Department of Crime Control and Public Safety is located at www.nccrimecontrol.org. And, you will find a list of phone numbers for the county clerks for each county that you may want to contact.
                          Secretary of State is located at www.secstate.state.nc.us and has business and corporate records including tax liens, which is useful to check out agencies.
                          Attorney General’s office is located at http://www.ncdoj.com/. In each State, thier Attorney General's website is a good place to start looking for links to their criminal records website.
                          North Carolina Vital Records is at http://vitalrecords.dhhs.state.nc.us
                          They register all births, deaths, marriages and divorces for the state of North Carolina. But birth certificates are restricted to the person themselves, because a birth certificate is useful to obtain ID cards.

                          In many cases, those services are free, but some services cost money, which typically is under $20.

                          Most of that information came from BackgroundSearch.com which offers pre-employment screening and background searches. Their nationwide criminal records check covers 46 States, which make their statewide criminal records public information. You can search a name and location for free, but if you need the actual criminal record check, then they charge a fee. I think the fee varies according to how much information you want. So the criminal records check is less expensive than a full pre-employment screening. I think the pre-employment screening costs under $30. Pre Employment Screen Background Search include: Verification of identity, SSN, employment history, education, and address history. Checks State and county criminal records, sexual offender, terrorist watch, credit check, bankruptcy. (Federal criminal records available.) Matched by name & birthday.

                          So, purchasing a background check is more convenient and maybe more comprehensive, but you can certainly get a lot of information yourself by visiting the government websites.

                          Fair Credit Reporting Act

                          You are an employer, so you must abide by the Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA). The FCRA has two points that affect you.

                          a) If you purchase the background check information from a third party, you need to get the job applicant's permission. You should have a form in your job application, which the person will sign for this purpose. That way it is routine, no fuss, no muss. Most company do the same thing.
                          (If you do your own research and do not purchase it, or if it is not for a job application, then you do not need to get the subject person's permission.)

                          b) If you do not hire the job applicant because of something you found in a background check that you purchased, then you must tell the job applicant what the information was, and where you got it. (Again, if you did the research yourself and did not purchase the information, then you do not have to reveal anything to the job applicant.)

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                          One of my friends has only limited movement in one arm, but she is an amazing person with friends from all over the world. She lives near a university and had considerable success with graduate students. She offered them a place to stay during their graduate studies in exchange for their services. I do not know what the exact arrangement was. She often "rented" rooms in her house to more than one graduate student at a time. The graduate students would stay a couple of years and became close personal friends. Often they were foreign students which maintained their friendship after moving back to their home countries.
                          Last edited by mommikare; 02-04-2008, 07:48 AM.

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                          • #14
                            You'll want to get any and all names used, past and present. All addresses, past and present. Sometimes one identity is OK, the other shows problems.

                            For access, a combination lock allows change without the key problem. But many combination locks do not have the strength of a deadbolt. You need a deadbolt.

                            An alternative is the Multilock, the highest security key available. Non reproducible without a magnetic code card. Secure the card in a safe and no copies exist. As long as a departing employee gives the key back, rest assured, no copies exist.

                            When I run an ad, I'll get about 100 calls. From this I may interview 20. It takes days to work through this and I hate doing it in my home, yet the thought of spending hours at a McDonalds is very uncomfortable. So I do it at my home, with reservations.

                            One thing, retain all data for people you meet. They are the first list of suspects if something bad happens to you. That is, unless you have relations with a more obvious likely culprit.

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