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    My husband took our son to detox again today. IVDA. 4x's since he came back home 11/08. I scrubed the feet on the shower chair real good again. I folded everything neatly crying. Whoa, when will this ever stop? Why can't he get the only med. that has ever kept him clean without spending all his disability $ on the pirate office charges?
    Back off me. How dare I feel so helpless when it is Michael who has been rejected. His experience is always....bad access in detox/rehab. No handicapped bathroom...on & on. Doctors that don't believe SCI patients have pain unserved by motrin.
    Thanks for listening. I just needed to vent.

  • #2
    I can't fix it, but I can surely send some prayers your way. Try to stay strong...

    At least Michael has parents who give a hoot...and he will appreciate that in the long run.

    Take care and God bless...

    Teena

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    • #3
      xox thank you

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      • #4
        Sorry, I'm not seeing the big picture with this issue. However, I think someone with an SCI or chronic pain should be in a pain management program not detox.

        Good luck.
        Last edited by PN; 06-10-2009, 07:37 PM.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by PN View Post
          Sorry, I'm not seeing the big picture with this issue. However, I think someone with an SCI or chronic pain should be in a pain management program not detox.
          Good luck.
          Ergo Motrin..Sorry to say some primary care and some social workers are so case overloaded they may wash their hands of those that complain of chronic pain unscilenced.
          Last edited by mckeownp; 06-10-2009, 07:54 PM. Reason: spelling

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          • #6
            I'm so sorry,this is so saddening.I hate you and your family are hurting and he gets the help he needs,whatever it may be.

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            • #7
              Some days it is all we can do to keep on hanging on...I feel your pain and heartbreak and pray for you to have peace soon...sci sucks...I've had an awful day today...but what I learned is there are folks who have it so much worse than me...you being one of them today...take care of yourself...and let us support you...hugs, judy

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              • #8
                Honestly, if you can find a way move to Canada. The health care system is great and you have a choice to pain killers to choose from plus the posibility of medical marijuana. I used to take Oxy Contin and the likes but now I found the right pain specialist and I'm only on Baclofen as my strongest medication. Good Luck!
                Never Give Up!

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                • #9
                  First, so very sorry you, your husband and your son are hurting. Addiction hurts more than just the person who's ingesting the substances.

                  There is a difference in a physical dependence upon a medication and addiction. You wrote your son has an IV drug abuse problem. That's a big problem. It needs to be addressed and is different from taking medication for pain control.

                  IV drug abuse will preclude him from most any legitimate pain management program because doctors don't want to prescribe to a person who is more likely to OD. Physicians also are concerned about prescribing to an addict. Most physicians simply are not equipped to address that.

                  What has he been shooting? Do you know? That can sometimes help determine specific places for detox and treatment as some centers have more experiences with certain substances than others. That'd be true for detox at least. When it comes to addiction, it's the same whether it's heroin or coke or booze or pills because addiction is addiction with an addict.

                  Addiction affects the entire family, not just the person who is using. As you know from what you felt as you scrubbed the shower and tidied his things, it's heartbreaking.

                  If he is in a detox and treatment facility without accessible bathrooms, another hospital should be considered as there are those which are accessible for us.

                  If this is his fourth time in treatment since November of 2008, that's troubling, as you know. Has his drug use gotten worse since November?

                  It is possible for his pain management needs to be addressed and for him to remain clean and sober. There are physicians who specialize in addiction who are equipped to address the needs of those who live with chronic pain. Given your location, I'm hoping your son will be able to locate such a doctor.

                  One of the difficulties for your son in being admitted to and remaining in a pain management program may be his addiction history if he does not go to such a specialized health care provider. Your son will also have to remain clean.

                  If your son does not remain clean and free of drugs other than those prescribed in the pain management program (other than Motrin, as you said), he'll likely be dropped. Drug tests are routinely given before prescriptions are written each visit for patients. It covers a physician's liability, but also helps doctors determine: who is doc shopping (a patient who sees more than one health care provider to get more pills than any doctor would write for a single patient); who has an existing or recurring addiction and is doing illegal substances in addition to taking the rx meds; who is just getting prescriptions, but not taking the meds themselves so there is possibility of intent to sell; etc.

                  Getting clean will seem to your son like the hardest thing he has ever done, but it's the staying clean day after day after day that is grittiest hard of all.

                  Keep us posted on how you are and how your son and husband are, too. I'm wishing all of you the best.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by LaMemChose View Post
                    First, so very sorry you, your husband and your son are hurting. Addiction hurts more than just the person who's ingesting the substances.

                    There is a difference in a physical dependence upon a medication and addiction. You wrote your son has an IV drug abuse problem. That's a big problem. It needs to be addressed and is different from taking medication for pain control.

                    IV drug abuse will preclude him from most any legitimate pain management program because doctors don't want to prescribe to a person who is more likely to OD. Physicians also are concerned about prescribing to an addict. Most physicians simply are not equipped to address that.

                    What has he been shooting? Do you know? That can sometimes help determine specific places for detox and treatment as some centers have more experiences with certain substances than others. That'd be true for detox at least. When it comes to addiction, it's the same whether it's heroin or coke or booze or pills because addiction is addiction with an addict.

                    Addiction affects the entire family, not just the person who is using. As you know from what you felt as you scrubbed the shower and tidied his things, it's heartbreaking.

                    If he is in a detox and treatment facility without accessible bathrooms, another hospital should be considered as there are those which are accessible for us.

                    If this is his fourth time in treatment since November of 2008, that's troubling, as you know. Has his drug use gotten worse since November?

                    It is possible for his pain management needs to be addressed and for him to remain clean and sober. There are physicians who specialize in addiction who are equipped to address the needs of those who live with chronic pain. Given your location, I'm hoping your son will be able to locate such a doctor.

                    One of the difficulties for your son in being admitted to and remaining in a pain management program may be his addiction history if he does not go to such a specialized health care provider. Your son will also have to remain clean.

                    If your son does not remain clean and free of drugs other than those prescribed in the pain management program (other than Motrin, as you said), he'll likely be dropped. Drug tests are routinely given before prescriptions are written each visit for patients. It covers a physician's liability, but also helps doctors determine: who is doc shopping (a patient who sees more than one health care provider to get more pills than any doctor would write for a single patient); who has an existing or recurring addiction and is doing illegal substances in addition to taking the rx meds; who is just getting prescriptions, but not taking the meds themselves so there is possibility of intent to sell; etc.

                    Getting clean will seem to your son like the hardest thing he has ever done, but it's the staying clean day after day after day that is grittiest hard of all.

                    Keep us posted on how you are and how your son and husband are, too. I'm wishing all of you the best.
                    Mem,that's an excellent post. W/C or not,this young man has to want help himself to get help. Liability issues will prevent facilities from taking a chance on him as they will be blamed if he self medicates in addition to meds they're prescribing.l

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                    • #11
                      Thank you for your posts. Mike is at the detox the time before last. They do have a good bathroom for him. Even though it is the ADA law that these already visited medical facilities have handicap access they ussually don't. He was kicked out of there in May for having a girl in his room.
                      We are so grateful they let him back. Then hopefully on to a transitional holding facility before residential placement. We are hoping he gets into The "New Hope" program located in Weymouth, Ma. The campus is only 3 years old and have 5 handicapped rooms. He made it clean for 13 months and relapsed again slowly around
                      early Feb. I knew as soon as his personal grooming started to lapse. His personality got mean and his cell phone never stopped ringing when he was home. He drives and that alone causes us anxiety when he is out so late.
                      I am praying that he gets stronger. I do have hope because "HE" decided to try again. I need to refuse him to come home this time. We did it before and that's when he got sober. Where he lived North of Boston was a shithole. The owner would only turn on the heat 6 hours a day. Mold and madness for roommates.
                      Also when you are on saboxone MOST residentials will Not accept you.

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                      • #12
                        prayers for you.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TheAbleChef View Post
                          Honestly, if you can find a way move to Canada. The health care system is great and you have a choice to pain killers to choose from plus the posibility of medical marijuana. I used to take Oxy Contin and the likes but now I found the right pain specialist and I'm only on Baclofen as my strongest medication. Good Luck!
                          Not to take away from the OP, but if you look up the statistics on Canada's health care system, we won't be getting the free ride for much longer. It's going to break.

                          However, to the OP, hang in there. We're pulling for you.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mckeownp View Post
                            Thank you for your posts. Mike is at the detox the time before last. They do have a good bathroom for him. Even though it is the ADA law that these already visited medical facilities have handicap access they ussually don't. He was kicked out of there in May for having a girl in his room.
                            We are so grateful they let him back. Then hopefully on to a transitional holding facility before residential placement. We are hoping he gets into The "New Hope" program located in Weymouth, Ma. The campus is only 3 years old and have 5 handicapped rooms. He made it clean for 13 months and relapsed again slowly around
                            early Feb. I knew as soon as his personal grooming started to lapse. His personality got mean and his cell phone never stopped ringing when he was home. He drives and that alone causes us anxiety when he is out so late.
                            I am praying that he gets stronger. I do have hope because "HE" decided to try again. I need to refuse him to come home this time. We did it before and that's when he got sober. Where he lived North of Boston was a shithole. The owner would only turn on the heat 6 hours a day. Mold and madness for roommates.
                            Also when you are on saboxone MOST residentials will Not accept you.

                            Mike's Mom,

                            Glad to hear from you again. Sounds as though Mike has a plan. Good deal.

                            Just wanted to pass along that less than ideal physical circumstances (needing to use his own shower chair, his own raised toilet seat, etc.) will not keep Mike from getting clean if it is what he wants. When he is ready, he will to do it. I can promise you he was not concerned about ADA access, toilets and showers when it came to scoring and shooting.

                            If he devotes to his recovery what he devoted to getting drugs and staying high, he can get clean and sober. That's up to him.

                            Whatever is or is not happening with him, don't forget to take good care of yourself. Eat as healthy a diet as possible and rest when you can. It's okay to have your own life apart from his, to do things you enjoy with friends, with your husband, with other family members.

                            Sitting on pins and needles waiting for that phone to ring is unhealthy for you. If he calls and you're not home, he will call again.

                            I don't know if you have ever attended Al Anon, but you might take comfort from the other people in those meetings. The meetings are for parents, family members, friends and other loved ones of alcoholics and addicts. It can really help to know you are not alone in what you are experiencing.

                            Let us know how you are, okay?

                            Best,

                            MaryEllen

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Julie-Bug View Post
                              Not to take away from the OP, but if you look up the statistics on Canada's health care system, we won't be getting the free ride for much longer. It's going to break.

                              However, to the OP, hang in there. We're pulling for you.
                              I hope not. Do you have any links to the statistics? I believe you, I'm just curious. Thanks.
                              Never Give Up!

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