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    Again... Vicodin

    First I must say sorry for popping up again with all these great problems after leaving for so long and not really helpin anyone. That said heres another conundrum for ya'll. For about 10ish months I was taking vicodin. Perscribed to me for various reasons; broken leg, stomach, GI probs etc. And I developed a wee addiction to it. Im only talkin like 1-2 a day tops, but admittedly there were many many times that one pill wasn't needed. Ok the point here is, when I was taking it everyday, even in small doses, I had no bowel, or G.I. problems. I could eat almost anything without getting sick (milk, spicy foods, cola etc etc). Nothing gave me cramps, nothing made me vomit, no diahreah, pretty much nothing bad happened to my digestive tract.
    It has now been over a month since I've had any vicodin. I though ok yay I kicked the stupid stuff. And thats fine I don't miss it a bit. The thing is that in this month i've been having all the bad digestive stuff that went away while I was on it. 1/2 of the stuff I eat makes me sick in one way or another. Bowel program is a P.I.T.A because im no longer slightly constipated. Im not sick all the time or anything but compared to the 10 months I was on vicodin, this has been a lame month. I've stayed home many days puking, or having diahreah or some other nasty stomach crap.
    So my question is... Is it ok to be on a low dose of vicodin to prevent the misery that has been happening this month? I've looked for alternatives: natural cultures like acidophillus, lactobascillus; different diets; ultram; OTC stuff like immodium. I've tried all of these things but not a one of them is as effective. So Im at a loss. I know I wasn't very addicted to vicodin, but I didn't want to get that way, and I still don't. Damn my short bowels!
    Don't think of yourself as an ugly person, just a beautiful monkey.
    Always remember: if the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off.

    #2
    interesting question, i wonder if there is a another med that may do the same thing, but then again if vicodin works why search , lomitil is a light narcotic that is good for diarrhea when it is not from ecoli type stuff, it calms the stomach too,
    cauda equina

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      #3
      When I am taking it my stomach calms too. I dont have to take my irritable bowel syndrome meds when I take it.

      I dont have an answer...
      T12-L2; Burst fracture L1: Incomplete walking with AFO's and cane since 1989

      My goal in life is to be as good of a person my dog already thinks I am. ~Author Unknown

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        #4
        My answer: keep taking it. Relieves pain and at such a low dose, it appears to be doing more good than harm. I once worked on a drug to combat sluggish intestines due to narcotic and/or opioid use. So using a side effect as a therapeutic effect seems perfectly sensible to me. I bet I'll get shouted down. Just my opinion though.
        Wife of Chad (C4/5 since 1988), mom of a great teenager

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          #5
          I agree with zilla here. As long as you keep it to a low dos, and don't start increasing it, I would think it is safe. If it is treating a medical condition, you legitimately need the drug. And while I applaud your desire to not become addidcted to it, and your efforts to get off it, unless you find an alternate med that takes care of your issues, without also having side effects, I think you should go back to taking the vicodin. Just keep the dose as low as necessary, and watch that you don;t start increasing it.
          T7-8 since Feb 2005

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            #6
            Is there any long term type damage Im doing tho? I know that stuff is murder for the liver, even at low doses. But then being sick and dehydrated most of the time can't be too great for me either. Tommorrow I'll try n talk to the Doc about it. I imagine he's gonna suggest vitamin or iron supplements which are supposed to have the same effect. I've taken both and neither works. I'll have to figure some Doctor psychology to get this point across I think.
            Don't think of yourself as an ugly person, just a beautiful monkey.
            Always remember: if the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off.

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              #7
              Originally posted by ButtMonkey
              Is there any long term type damage Im doing tho? I know that stuff is murder for the liver, even at low doses. But then being sick and dehydrated most of the time can't be too great for me either. Tommorrow I'll try n talk to the Doc about it. I imagine he's gonna suggest vitamin or iron supplements which are supposed to have the same effect. I've taken both and neither works. I'll have to figure some Doctor psychology to get this point across I think.
              Let me know what psychology you come up with...LOL I will need to use it on my doc too. I was shocked that I could quit taking my IBS meds. I am relatively miserable without the questran with major abdominal cramps and diarrhea. I am afraid to go out in public or used to be. I quit taking the questran in late january. Like you, I only take one in the morning and one at night. I eat alot of fiber and veggies so I dont get the constipation from the vicodin. I am set to have my hips joints injected (I guess with Cortisone as that is where my pain and inflamation is)on Monday so I guess I will have to go back to the Questran...Also the questran seems to give me heartburn, acid reflux, and gas so I am wondering if the Vicodin truly isnt better on the stomach.
              T12-L2; Burst fracture L1: Incomplete walking with AFO's and cane since 1989

              My goal in life is to be as good of a person my dog already thinks I am. ~Author Unknown

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                #8
                The only thing which concerns me is that you wrote you had a "wee addiction" to the vics.

                Was it addiction or physical dependence? If it was physical dependence only, alert your doc and take only as directed.

                However, if you recognize an addiction, talk to your doctor about it. I'd find another way or use it with what I'm about to discuss.

                There is a med which may be used with opiates to avoid getting the high off the med. It's called "bupe." It allows opiates to medicate pain without allowing euphoria in the brain.

                Bupe can be used alone for pain relief. It's like Methadone except there is no high from it. You could take unlimited amounts of it seeking a high and it just won't happen. Of course taking too much of any med is not good.

                Bupe is also used to detox from opiates, including morphine, oxies and heroin. I'm told you can detox from opiates without getting dope sick with physical withdrawals.

                Given I had fullblown addiction to opiates, benzos and top shelf vodka, my doc has suggested bupe for me if I ever need pain meds again. So far, I've managed to avoid them other than what the doc administered via i.v. during a procedure in the hospital two years ago.

                I wish you the best in finding what will work so you can eat without getting sick, ButtMonkey.

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                  #9
                  I also share the concern about the "wee bit of addiction". It would help to describe more what you mean. Have you tried any other medications for irritable bowel? There is one called bentyl which may help your problem. If you have tried other medications, then I would say that you talk to your doc about staying on the vicodan. Be honest with him/her and see if they may have any other alternatives?
                  CKF
                  The SCI-Nurses are advanced practice nurses specializing in SCI/D care. They are available to answer questions, provide education, and make suggestions which you should always discuss with your physician/primary health care provider before implementing. Medical diagnosis is not provided, nor do the SCI-Nurses provide nursing or medical care through their responses on the CareCure forums.

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                    #10
                    Hmm how can I describe this.... I think it amounted to being that I kept taking the steady dose so I wouldn't have to suffer withdrawls. Admittedly being drugged all the time cuts down on stress tho. I didn't get addicted enough to find out how addicted I was or could get ya know what I mean? I did stop taking the stuff intermittently; a few days here and there. It made me sick not only with withdrawl symptoms but with the other symptoms I described while Im not taking it. So I would start taking it again because for whatever reason it was just a bad time to be having all the withdrawls << BTW I thought all the IBS stuff thats been happening were part of the withdrawl syptoms and would go away after I was free and clean of the vicodin.
                    I won't go so far as to say that It didn't make my mental state nicer to be slightly dopey. My family does have a history of addiction, on both my mum & dad's sides.
                    Don't think of yourself as an ugly person, just a beautiful monkey.
                    Always remember: if the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off.

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                      #11
                      Given what you have said, I would be very careful with taking the vicodan. Especially with your family history. However, I don't have any answer to the issues that you are having with your bowels. Have you gone to a GI doc? There are tons of things that are now out there that might be worth a try.
                      Whatever you choose to do- let your physician know why you want to do it.
                      CKF
                      The SCI-Nurses are advanced practice nurses specializing in SCI/D care. They are available to answer questions, provide education, and make suggestions which you should always discuss with your physician/primary health care provider before implementing. Medical diagnosis is not provided, nor do the SCI-Nurses provide nursing or medical care through their responses on the CareCure forums.

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                        #12
                        I have been to a G.I. specialist at Loma Linda. They basically told me that the things i've had problems with are to be expected with such a case of short bowel and there was not much they could do short of a colostomy (which I had for 6 months after the accident and refuse to ever ever ever have again). I have had various pills to control acid, help with digestion, slow motility etc, but 90% of the time they seem to make things worse, or not do anything at all. I'm going to have a chat with my Doc. Thanks for the advice everyone!
                        Don't think of yourself as an ugly person, just a beautiful monkey.
                        Always remember: if the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off.

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                          #13
                          Based on your description, which obviously is not exhaustive I would say you are physically dependent on vicodan, which is completely normal. But you do not seem to be addicted, meaning you get a mental high from it. You are right to worry with a family history, but my gut sense says you are worrying too much and that it is fine to continue as you are. Chad had to go to alot of docs to finally found one who truly understood the concept of PAIN RELIEF and APPROPRIATE USE of narcotics/opioids and would prescribe them long term. It was hard though as most docs fear the DEA more than any malpractice lawyer.

                          Now, if you come back here as a full blown addicted junky in a year, I'll deny writing this. lol ...
                          Wife of Chad (C4/5 since 1988), mom of a great teenager

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                            #14
                            Given your family history, and your statements about vicodin lowering stress and making you feel better to be dopey (or something along those lines), I would say that you are playing with fire if you continue to use it. I think if you are honest with yourself you already know that though. Are you looking for reassurance from the people here that you can ignore that little voice that has already told you that you are suffering from a "wee bit of addiction" (and is that like being a wee bit pregnant)? I'm sorry but I can't oblige you on this one, vicodin is not appropriate for treating GI upset. I work with recovering addicts (and also come from a family full of addicts). Sounds like the same kind of stuff I hear all the time.

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                              #15
                              When all is said and done - I would hope that you would take the advice here and use it to make your decision. As I have tried to say all along, you really need to talk to your doc- see what he says and then make your decision. While there are times that it is appropriate to use a medication for a side effect, I am not sure that this is one of them. Only you can make the decision that is right for you.
                              CKF
                              The SCI-Nurses are advanced practice nurses specializing in SCI/D care. They are available to answer questions, provide education, and make suggestions which you should always discuss with your physician/primary health care provider before implementing. Medical diagnosis is not provided, nor do the SCI-Nurses provide nursing or medical care through their responses on the CareCure forums.

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