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  • Switching between leg bags and night bags

    There just isn't enough info on the net about specific questions like this.

    When using a leg bag during the day, and then switching back to the night bag for bed time, is it necessary to use a brand new or clean bag each time you switch between the bags (and vice versa switching between night and leg bag in the morning)?

    I read on one web site that recommended leaving the leg bag on at night and hooking the night bag to it then disconnecting the night bag in the morning. Does anyone do this? I would think that would be too much bulky stuff on your body while trying to sleep and there is risk of the bags coming apart and the straps or bags cause irritation while sleeping.

    How long can a bag be off before it has to be cleaned and sanitized?

    Also, what is the best way to clean and sanitize the bags? Ive been using liquid antibacterial soap with hot water, rinsing with hot water and sanitizing with cool water and vinegar for 30 minutes and then cool rinse and letting the bag hang with valves open until next use.

    Thoughts?

    Thank you!

  • #2
    This is a great question that gets lots of different answers depending upon the year, lol.

    I think* the latest is vinegar and water (though I think that encourages pseudomonas and that is in my bladder right now) ... then bleach with water once per week.

    I too was using antibacterial soap and water.
    Roses are red. Tacos are enjoyable. Don't blame immigrants, because you're unemployable.

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    • #3
      There is a lot of evidence that maintaining a closed system for indwelling catheters decreases the risks for introducing foreign bacteria. At our center we changed to the system you describe with the leg bag kept permanently attached to the indwelling catheter, then attaching a bedside bag to that bag's drain port at bedtime for drainage. We encourage our clients to continue this practice at home. There is really little bulk, as the leg bag just lays flat on the bed (it does not accumulate urine as long as the bed bag is kept dependent) and we just remove the straps during the night.

      There have been studies on the best methods for cleaning urinary drainage bags. We continue to clean our bedside bags each morning before storing. The best done studies have shown the following to be the best procedure:

      Supplies:
      Drainage bag
      Urinal or other quart container dedicated to this purpose alone.
      Funnel (we use a 60 cc. catheter tipped syringe barrel)
      2 short lengths of extension tubing
      Basin
      Clean towel

      Procedure:
      1. Drain urine into toilet. Close drain port.
      2. Place basin on floor next to toilet and hold bag over the basin to catch any spillage.
      3. Attach funnel to inflow connector of bag with short length of extension tubing.
      4. Fill bag 1/3-1/2 full with tap water (do not touch funnel to faucet)
      5. Shake bag vigorously for 10 seconds. Drain. Close drain port.
      6. Repeat tap water rinse/shake. Drain. Close drain port.
      7. Using the urinal or other container containing freshly made 10% bleach solution (50ml of bleach plus 450ml of tap water), pour bleach solution into bag through the funnel. Shake bag vigorously for 30 seconds.
      8. Drain. Leave drain port open.
      9. Tip any water out of the basin (into the toilet).
      10. Arrange clean, dry towel in the bottom of the basin.
      11. Place bag, funnel with short length of extension tubing, and the urinal into the basin and fold the towel over them to cover completely.
      12. Store this way until ready to reapply to the leg bag that evening. Put that towel in the laundry (use another clean one the next morning). Don't forget to close the drain port when applying it to the leg bag!!


      (KLD)
      The SCI-Nurses are advanced practice nurses specializing in SCI/D care. They are available to answer questions, provide education, and make suggestions which you should always discuss with your physician/primary health care provider before implementing. Medical diagnosis is not provided, nor do the SCI-Nurses provide nursing or medical care through their responses on the CareCure forums.

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      • #4
        What kind of funnel or syringe is used? Extension tubing? Pictures or video will help as I will don't fully understand all the instructions and I will need to buy supplies. Right now I'm using my sink and hold the opening under the running water and poor the vinegar in as carefully as possible. Also, I dont think I will be able to do it with the basin on the floor. I wouldn't be able to pick it up when its full of water. And I cant reach the water controls of my bathtub without getting onto my commode chair, which defeats the whole purpose of having the catheter as transferring to it is causing skin tears on my newly closed flap surgery.

        I have not even transferred to my tub bench for fear that contributed to the tears as well.

        Oh and how often do you switch to a new leg bag and bed bag?
        Last edited by wheeliegirl; 11-06-2016, 04:08 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by wheeliegirl View Post
          What kind of funnel or syringe is used? Extension tubing?
          As above. We make a funnel out of a 60cc catheter-tipped irrigation syringe. You could use a household funnel if you use it only for this. We cut off two short 2-3" lengths of extension tubing from the leg bag kit when assembling the leg bag (our kits come with the bag, straps, and extension tubing). One goes at the drain valve of the leg bag, then other is attached to the funnel (and then, when cleaning, to the inflow connector of the drainage bag).

          Originally posted by wheeliegirl View Post
          Pictures or video will help as I will don't fully understand all the instructions and I will need to buy supplies. Right now I'm using my sink and hold the opening under the running water and poor[sic] the vinegar in as carefully as possible. Also, I don't think I will be able to do it with the basin on the floor. I wouldn't be able to pick it up when its full of water. And I cant reach the water controls of my bathtub without getting onto my commode chair, which defeats the whole purpose of having the catheter as transferring to it is causing skin tears on my newly closed flap surgery.
          Don't have videos or photos. Our clients sit in their wheelchair in front of the toilet and put the basin on the floor. You can put it on the counter or a chair if you can raise the tubing high enough over the bag so that it drains from the funnel down into the bag. Generally most most just continue to hold onto the drainage bag tubing and lift the bag up by the tubing to drain into the toilet. You should not have to lift the basin until the end, and there should be very little liquid actually in the basin.

          Originally posted by wheeliegirl View Post
          Oh and how often do you switch to a new leg bag and bed bag?
          New bag and bed bag whenever you change your indwelling catheter. Studies have shown this bag cleaning protocol is good for at least a month.

          (KLD)
          The SCI-Nurses are advanced practice nurses specializing in SCI/D care. They are available to answer questions, provide education, and make suggestions which you should always discuss with your physician/primary health care provider before implementing. Medical diagnosis is not provided, nor do the SCI-Nurses provide nursing or medical care through their responses on the CareCure forums.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by wheeliegirl View Post
            What kind of funnel or syringe is used? Extension tubing? Pictures or video will help as I will don't fully understand all the instructions and I will need to buy supplies. Right now I'm using my sink and hold the opening under the running water and poor the vinegar in as carefully as possible. Also, I dont think I will be able to do it with the basin on the floor. I wouldn't be able to pick it up when its full of water. And I cant reach the water controls of my bathtub without getting onto my commode chair, which defeats the whole purpose of having the catheter as transferring to it is causing skin tears on my newly closed flap surgery.

            I have not even transferred to my tub bench for fear that contributed to the tears as well.

            Oh and how often do you switch to a new leg bag and bed bag?
            Vinegar is not an EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) registered disinfectant. It may kill bacteria at full strength, but when diluted with water the acetic acid, which kills bacteria, is diluted well below the 5% concentration of straight vinegar and does little to disinfect. Bleach is a great disinfectant, but you need to be careful with it. Bleach is a corrosive and can destroy the finish on bathroom fixtures like sink/tub drain covers and water controls. Wear old clothes or something you don't mind getting bleach spotted. Just a small, errant drop can ruin shirts, jeans, colored towels, and wallpaper.

            SCI nurse KLD mentioned using a 60cc catheter tipped syringe. They can be purchased as medical supplies stores and possible at pet supply stores. See the picture below. (The syringe in the picture says for single use only. If you are using it to measure and dispense bleach, you won't need to be concerned with that.) If you decide to use a funnel, you will have to find one that has an end that will fit into the extension tubing you are using.

            She also mentioned extension tubing. This tubing is used on leg bags and can be purchased where you buy catheter and urinary supplies. It is available in clear vinyl (kind of stiff), white rubber, and latex. I'd suggest the white rubber tubing. See picture below.

            I change out leg bags twice a month. I don't use a night drain bag. Instead, I use a Urocare drain bottle. It is durable and lasts a long time. It (and the clear vinyl tubing) can be cleaned with a diluted bleach solution.

            Hope this helps.

            All the best,
            GJ
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            Last edited by gjnl; 11-06-2016, 07:17 PM.

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            • #7
              My leg bags don't have any extra tubing, and also the drain tube won't accommodate a connection to a night bag. Its very short and made of rigid plastic. The home health nurse gave me these leg bags for the interim. I will need to discuss with my doctor when i have the surgery for the SP catheter because she will need to write the prescription for the supplies. I will need to ensure that she orders a leg bag with the extra tubing. Do you have the mfr and or model? I use EDGEPARK as my supplier. Its the only approved company my insurance has in my network for urological supplies.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by wheeliegirl View Post
                My leg bags don't have any extra tubing, and also the drain tube won't accommodate a connection to a night bag. Its very short and made of rigid plastic. The home health nurse gave me these leg bags for the interim. I will need to discuss with my doctor when i have the surgery for the SP catheter because she will need to write the prescription for the supplies. I will need to ensure that she orders a leg bag with the extra tubing. Do you have the mfr and or model? I use EDGEPARK as my supplier. Its the only approved company my insurance has in my network for urological supplies.
                I too use Edgepark. This is the drill. All leg bags covered by Medicare (maybe you have private insurance and that may be different) have to be accompanied by extension tubing. You can't plug your leg bag directly into the supra pubic catheter with out extension tubing. You need to use extension tubing to get from the catheter to a leg bag. With Medicare, the extension tubing is not a billable item (if you have other insurance than Medicare, your mileage may vary).

                Here is the combo I get from Edgepark:
                https://www.urocare.com/EN/Products/...nylLgBgsEN.php
                http://www.vitalitymedical.com/uroca...on-tubing.html

                When you deal with Edgepark, you have to micromanage the fulfillment of your supplies. Nine times out of ten, your order will be held up because the billing department has failed to code out the extension tubing that should not have an additional charge under Medicare. (Private insurance, I don't have a clue.)

                I will try to get NL to take a photo of my leg bag set up, that may help.

                All the best,
                GJ

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                • #9
                  See if you can get the Bard Dispoz-a-Bag with FlipFlo valve bag kit. The ones with the fabric (not rubber) straps are best. Hollister also makes a similar one, but it may be more expensive (so not covered by your insurance). They are listed on the Edgepark website:
                  Bard Dispoz-a-Bag? Leg Bag with Flip Flo™ Valve, Sterile, Fabric Leg Straps, 18" Extension Tubing 32 oz

                  • Each of 1 EA
                  • Item # 57150832
                  • HCPCS Code: A4358


                  https://www.edgepark.com/urological/...-oz/p/57150832
                  (KLD)
                  The SCI-Nurses are advanced practice nurses specializing in SCI/D care. They are available to answer questions, provide education, and make suggestions which you should always discuss with your physician/primary health care provider before implementing. Medical diagnosis is not provided, nor do the SCI-Nurses provide nursing or medical care through their responses on the CareCure forums.

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                  • #10
                    Hope these help you to understand how extension tubing works with a leg bag and supra pubic catheter.

                    All the best,
                    GJ
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                    • #11
                      I have experienced only nightmares with Edgepark, usually with numerous phone calls and a month passing before I get anything I need. If there is a problem, you will not know until you call them and wait on hold. They always say they called me, and I confirm the phone number, by you can believe this only so many times.

                      Can anyone suggest a better urinary supply company?

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                      • #12
                        I'm satisfied with Wilmington Medical Supply.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Random View Post
                          I have experienced only nightmares with Edgepark, usually with numerous phone calls and a month passing before I get anything I need. If there is a problem, you will not know until you call them and wait on hold. They always say they called me, and I confirm the phone number, by you can believe this only so many times.
                          Totally agree with you! Medicare requires that an extension tube with connector is added at no charge to the leg bag order. Their accounting department invariably misses this and has to recode, but their oversights always delay the order shipment date. The original poster doesn't seem to have a choice of vendors it seems this is the vendor of choice for the insurance company. If you use Edgepark be aware you will have to manage them from the beginning of an order until it is delivered to you. Nothing is automatic for them. Don't expect to set things up with them and have supplies delivered every month, without a hitch.

                          All the best,
                          GJ

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                          • #14
                            I use the BioFlo active valve. It makes it extremely easy to switch between day and night bags while maintaining a semi-closed system. My urologist has me irrigate my bladder twice a day so this makes it very easy to do that.

                            They send out free samples and it has been approved through my insurance. http://www.bioflo.us/

                            Also I saw in another thread you were contemplating using a flip flow valve to periodically drain your bladder and they have a option for this as well.
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                            • #15
                              How often do you need to replace the Urocare Night Drain Bottle? I wasn't aware such a thing existed. I would be interested in the 4000ml model, as I'm always afraid of over-filling my night bag (2000ml)

                              Also, how do you empty it bed side if needed?

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