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    #61
    The ebay story Cap'n sourced is out of stock. We'll have to find a Canadian "mule" to come into the US and smuggle it back for ya'll.


    Originally posted by loreo View Post
    My parents are heading back from Florida in a few weeks. I guess I'll ask them to bring some with them.

    Many online stores, like the calvetsupply.com you use JenJen, do not ship to Canada. Others cost more than the product ($20-30) for shipping - and there's still the potential it will not get across the border if there is a reason it's not being sold here. The potential results are definitely worth trying the shipping, I was just looking for something with less fees attached. I'll check out Cap'ns online site too.
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      #62
      Originally posted by JenJen View Post
      The ebay story Cap'n sourced is out of stock. We'll have to find a Canadian "mule" to come into the US and smuggle it back for ya'll.
      Would hate to be that mule when a bag bursts!

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        #63
        I got mine this am and flushed the ol bladder with 20 cc, 2 x. That place is a vet supply brick n mortar, should get more, google, it's everywhere, amazon and ebay also.

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          #64
          Good for you Capn! I like your spirit of independence. I hope the 20cc was enough. Are you going to repeat the two irrigations tomorrow? And don't forget, as Bob so clearly stated, you've got to do preventative rinsings of the urethra or the microbes will just crawl back in.

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            #65
            I was just reviewing this whole thread and a couple of things came to mind. First, for those of you experimenting with the bladder irrigation/flush, I don't think you have to worry too much about keeping the Microcyn up there for a little bit, if that's what you feel you need to do. I think any diffusion from the bladder to the intestines would take some time, at least twenty minutes or so, maybe longer. So don't think you have to be worried about that. I base that on JenJen saying that at first she had kept the Microcyn in her bladder until the next cathing, which had to have been a couple of hours at least.

            Second, I live nine miles from the store Capn sourced in his post, the ARcata Pet Store, and I called them to find out when they would be getting more of the 16 oz bottles of Vetericyn. They said they weren't sure they would be ordering more of that, and they sounded very guarded. So I think those of you who are going for the Vetericyn need to be sure you handle the interaction with discretion, or you could blow people's sources.

            Talk to you later,

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              #66
              In vitro studies showed that it took only 30 seconds for Microcyn to kill 99.9 percent of the bacteria.
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                #67
                Yes, that's true, and very impressive, especially when you consider that there are no microbes on the planet that can stand up to it, and that includes flu viruses. But you have to be sure the Microcyn is making thorough contact, and the baldder is folded, or involuted when empty. Some of the microbes can hide in those folds--that's why the doctor stipulated doing a second flush, and maybe repeating the two flushes the next day. But, like I said, it's up the each individual to intuit what's right for them, given all the info that has been posted.

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                  #68
                  There is nothing spectacular about a substance that can kill 99,9% of germs, many antiseptics do. The main interest of Microcyn for me is it's presumed innocuousness for human tissues. Obviously, if it is shown to help keeping in check UTI's by preventing them or by eliminating them at a very early stage, it will be worth it. I don't expect it to work on full blown UTI's though (when on the verge of sepsis I mean).

                  JenJen, are you (or have you been in the past) on any prophylactic antibiotherapy to prevent recurrent UTI's?
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                    #69
                    Yes, it's gentleness to human tissue is quite remarkable. But I believe it can be successful in reversing and curing full blown UTI's. I'll get back to you on that in the next few days--but it has something to do with Microcyn's ability to penetrate infected tissue quite deeply, because of the vasodilator it contains. This is one of its most remarkable aspects. Remember the kid with the flesh-eating bacteria, which the antibiotics could not contain. It was reversed and cured by constant local irrigation with Dermacyn. I myself cured a terrible recurring staph infected boil on my husbands back that the dermatologists could not keep from coming back, and I did it with Microcyn--it took two weeks, but we did it. It all depends on how you use it. It is the skill you use that unleashes Microcyn's incredible power.

                    Of course, antibiotics can and sometimes should be used in conjunction with Microcyn. It all depends on the case.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Leila View Post
                      I believe it can be successful in reversing and curing full blown UTI's. I'll get back to you on that in the next few days--but it has something to do with Microcyn's ability to penetrate infected tissue quite deeply, because of the vasodilator it contains. This is one of its most remarkable aspects.

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                      Hi Leila,

                      I will be eager to praise it if it shows to be as good as you say, I really hope it is. Now, I only hope it makes it here without problems, tracking the package ...
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                        #71
                        JGNI I did EVERYTHING!!!! daily doses of macrobid and then bactrim (I could have that backward)... All of the other remedies we've heard of... the ONLY thing that slowed my infection rate was a daily intravesticular installation of gentimicyn 60 CCs QD. I'd cath first thing, instill the gent in my bladder and leave in until my next cath... In my 3rd year of SCI, I had the closest call yet of my 10 hospitalizations for sepsis... It was then that I talked to Bob and based upon sharing our combined research and lay knowledge, I bought the Vetericyn and started with bladder flushes in the same way I used the Gent.

                        I've been relatively UTI free ever since. I can only recall one nasty infection and that wasnt' too bad... I ran out of V and as soon as I got it and did BID flushes for 2 days I was all better.

                        This stuff works for me. I hope you'll be as impressed.


                        Originally posted by JGNI View Post
                        There is nothing spectacular about a substance that can kill 99,9% of germs, many antiseptics do. The main interest of Microcyn for me is it's presumed innocuousness for human tissues. Obviously, if it is shown to help keeping in check UTI's by preventing them or by eliminating them at a very early stage, it will be worth it. I don't expect it to work on full blown UTI's though (when on the verge of sepsis I mean).

                        JenJen, are you (or have you been in the past) on any prophylactic antibiotherapy to prevent recurrent UTI's?
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                          #72
                          Thanks for everything Leila, you're a charm. I will be trying this procedure in the near future. As of now, I have an appointment to see the infectous disease doctor tomorrow morning. Very anxious to see what he's got to say about my lovely resistant bacteria.... I'll keep you posted.
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                            #73
                            Hi Everone,

                            Got more info for you. I viewed a video of Hoji Alimi, founder and CEO of Oculus IS, being interviewed at the 2010 OneMed Forum in San Francisco--that was three months ago. He said that Microcyn has been clinically demonstrated to have no toxicity to human tissue, no side effects and no drug interactions. Apparently there is a three-fold action involved: 1. it irradicates all pathogens 2. it increases oxygen to the wound/infection site 3. it reduces inflammation.

                            From the regulatory standpoint, it has only been cleared by the FDA in this country for use in wound care and dermatology. However, he stated that it is being used in the realm of medical science to treat eye infections, abdominal cavity infections, respiratory tract problems, (including the flu), urology, and on and on. He said they are getting it cleared by the FDA one step at a time. He also said that it has two to four years stability in the bottle. I know it's less than that after you've opened the bottle, but if you keep the lid screwed on tight, it lasts pretty long--several months at least, probably more. I have to ask them specifically about that.

                            It has been scientifically verified that pathogens cannot build up resistance to it--the mechanism is unknown to me, but I will try to find out as time permits. There are currently seven new FDA clearances pending this year, so it's going to be moving into other medical disciplines at a steady rate. Outside the US more approvals are pending. (I can't imagine what the pharmaceutical companies think about this--that's not something I want to think about).

                            OK. He said it is available at CVS and Nob Hill pharmacies as a spray called either My Cleanse or Mi-Cleanse--I didn't get the spelling. I called my local CVS pharmacy and they had not yet heard of it, so I contacted Oculus and they said they'd get back to me on that one.

                            I viewed another doctor being interviewed and she said Microcyn has 3 modes of action 1. it is a broad spectrum anti-microbial, and that includes the full range, from bacteria to fungi to yeast to viruses; 2. it is a super-oxidized solution--compared to regular tap water it has a much greater concentration of dissolved oxygen, so when you introduce the solution to the infection and/or wound, your directly adding a lot of oxygen; 3. it dilates the capillaries, and this is vital, for it brings nutrients, white blood cells, and allows the person's own immune system to function at optimal level.

                            The increase in tissue oxygen occurs within 15 seconds, to peak at 30 seconds, and persists at least 72 hours. The healing process begins sooner, lasts longer and is more comprehensive, employing all the body's own healing mechanisms.

                            She also gave a warning about H2O2, but I'll get to that later.

                            More later,

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                              #74
                              This product is not put out by Oculus, but it's the same stuff = super-oxidized water, and it has been tested extensively and kills all the same pathogens, including flu viruses. It's spelled Myclyns and it is available as a spray from CVS and Nob Hill chain stores. If you're interested you can go to the website, myclyns.com, or mygermspray.com.

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                                #75
                                I'm vacationing away from home now, so that 2x in the first day is all I am doing for now. It would appear to have worked completely. Males know the effect of colonization all to well...the penis hides from you. I am glad to say that John Jr is out enjoying the sights today I wish everyone could get some and use it. But there are many here who are afraid to try non standard treatment that actually WORKS, being content to be sickly and have a low quality of life. They live(little) and die by what their 'doctor' tells them. The Native in me tends to distrust docs and seek good health on my own with natural ways that do not harm the body, nor make others wealthy.
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