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    I have been using this product for around three years after a long bout with a resistant bug. I has been heaven sent. YES I would like to see clinical trials specifically directed for bladder instillation, would love to have statistical data on adverse effects. But for now there is none. My urologist is very happy with my bladder and so am I, and so is my infectious desease doctor. They both have given me the green light to instill twice a day, and I leave it in until my next cath 3/4 hours after.

    I was also running out of antibiotics and very hesitant about trying this.

    Again, I would love to see a push for clinical trials.

    Finally, in the meantime as an everyday user, I would invite anyone to start a thread on adverse effects. Many people here have been using this for 6/7 years.
    T6 complete (or so I think), SCI since September 21, 2003

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      Jim, I have looked for the facts you mention but I guess I missed the post. Can you please guide me to the post where these facts are presented?

      Originally posted by Jim View Post
      ctoom, this website was started by a scientist, for the community, and is based on the scientific process when it comes to the care and cure of spinal cord injury. Therefore, all sides must be presented in order for members to make informed decisions. t8 presented facts about the product that everyone should have access to.
      T6 complete (or so I think), SCI since September 21, 2003

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        Originally posted by paramoto View Post
        Jim, I have looked for the facts you mention but I guess I missed the post. Can you please guide me to the post where these facts are presented?
        This has gotten silly. I had two salient points I wanted people to be aware of

        1. Injecting any Microcyn like product is only anecdotally safe. I am not telling people not to do it but there was a definite lack of discussion about the fact that people are putting an untested substance inside their body. Again, I am not telling people what to do but felt they should at least know it is not a tested use of the product. To me actually putting a substance inside your body, especially on a regular basis is something that should be carefully considered. As an example people have said you can put Microcyn on your eyes it is so harmless. You can put Visine in your eyes but if you ingest it won't contrary to popular belief cause diarrhea but can cause some nasty symptoms, including coma: https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/002590.htm. Basically Caveat Emptor.

        2. GJNL was cutting and pasting information from the Sonoma pharmaceuticals website, claiming their products were better than others based on Sonoma marketing literature. All she had to do was properly attribute where her information was coming from instead of presenting it as fact and there would have been no issue. She has since stated that she is not connected in any way to Sonoma.


        You are leaving it in your bladder for four hours every day? To me that is scary and possibly dangerous.

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          Originally posted by t8burst View Post
          This has gotten silly. I had two salient points I wanted people to be aware of

          1. Injecting any Microcyn like product is only anecdotally safe. I am not telling people not to do it but there was a definite lack of discussion about the fact that people are putting an untested substance inside their body. Again, I am not telling people what to do but felt they should at least know it is not a tested use of the product. To me actually putting a substance inside your body, especially on a regular basis is something that should be carefully considered. As an example people have said you can put Microcyn on your eyes it is so harmless. You can put Visine in your eyes but if you ingest it won't contrary to popular belief cause diarrhea but can cause some nasty symptoms, including coma: https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/002590.htm. Basically Caveat Emptor.

          2. GJNL was cutting and pasting information from the Sonoma pharmaceuticals website, claiming their products were better than others based on Sonoma marketing literature. All she had to do was properly attribute where her information was coming from instead of presenting it as fact and there would have been no issue. She has since stated that she is not connected in any way to Sonoma.


          You are leaving it in your bladder for four hours every day? To me that is scary and possibly dangerous.

          In 2010, you were right on board with using the product. See post 505 on the thread below:
          https://www.carecure.net/forum/showt...ht=open+letter

          In every case where I have posted a document on this thread or any other, I am pretty consistent in posting the source in the form of a web address. I've never tried to hide the my source of information
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            Theracyn

            For any of you that uses Theracyn instillations, this is a good deal on purchasing it. https://www.horse.com/Search.aspx?query=theracyn

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              Originally posted by Brent K View Post
              For any of you that uses Theracyn instillations, this is a good deal on purchasing it. https://www.horse.com/Search.aspx?query=theracyn
              Thanks, "Brent K."

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                They have sales often. I joined their e-mail list and will get an e-mail on every sale. There have been some with larger discounts.

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                  If you're wondering which product to try, according to the reps, the Theracyn pink eye spray is the strongest of the retail versions.

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                    Originally posted by Scaper1 View Post
                    If you're wondering which product to try, according to the reps, the Theracyn pink eye spray is the strongest of the retail versions.
                    But, it may also have a differently balanced formula that does not cause the problems that many of us were having with spasms and autonomic symptoms just after a few minutes of exposure. I have been using the pink eye formulation for a few months now and find that I can instill and retain this formulation longer than I could with the Wound and Skin Care formulation.

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                      Originally posted by gjnl View Post
                      How do any of us know? As you should be very aware, there is a continuing lock down on opinions and closing of forums without any explanation, whether on the political spectrum or even the care spectrum. I am getting very wary due to justifiable suspicions of the squelching of opinion on this forum...actually it is kind of creepy.

                      How many times have you read...this site belongs to Wise Young and (now I am paraphrasing) he will do with it what he damn well pleases...Creepy and now scary!

                      Maybe I'm just getting paranoid after recent privacy and security concerns at Facebook.
                      Care - February 27th colostomy post looks like it was an accident .. otherwise I don't ever remember a Care Thread being locked?
                      Political Forum - Most recently the Trump thread but it's been a long time there too.

                      I'd hardly call that a 'lock down?' The good ole days saw three posts locked per week! lol

                      in the very very early days, all the posts here were lost as the person who provided the funds for the site took all of the info with them claiming it was theirs. That was before I stumbled upon this site though so I am fuzzy on details.
                      Roses are red. Tacos are enjoyable. Don't blame immigrants, because you're unemployable.

                      T-11 Flaccid Paraplegic due to TM July 1985 @ age 12

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                        Originally posted by lynnifer View Post
                        Care - February 27th colostomy post looks like it was an accident .. otherwise I don't ever remember a Care Thread being locked?
                        Political Forum - Most recently the Trump thread but it's been a long time there too.

                        I'd hardly call that a 'lock down?' The good ole days saw three posts locked per week! lol

                        in the very very early days, all the posts here were lost as the person who provided the funds for the site took all of the info with them claiming it was theirs. That was before I stumbled upon this site though so I am fuzzy on details.
                        This thread CLOSED some time around 7/12/17 with out one word of explanation. Not an accident! No name calling...no bullying...nothing pejorative...just shut...shut...shut!!!

                        Absolutely nothing like the crap in the political forum.

                        My take...a moderator with, pardon the expression, a hard on..vendetta!

                        https://www.carecure.net/forum/showt...light=microcyn

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                          It was not proven in clinical trials ... how can you expect a researcher to host what turned out to be a giant advertisement for something with only anecdotal evidence?
                          Roses are red. Tacos are enjoyable. Don't blame immigrants, because you're unemployable.

                          T-11 Flaccid Paraplegic due to TM July 1985 @ age 12

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                            Originally posted by lynnifer View Post
                            It was not proven in clinical trials ... how can you expect a researcher to host what turned out to be a giant advertisement for something with only anecdotal evidence?
                            That is not a reason for the thread to have been closed without explanation. And there have been may other threads that discuss Microcyn Technology and they have not been shut done. And as it turns out there is some evidence of verasity if you will read post #90 here: https://www.carecure.net/forum/showt...crocyn+zealand


                            I've been doing more searching, studying and reading, delving into new places for more information about the uses of Microcyn Technology.

                            I happened upon an S-1 statement (initial registration form for new securities filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission) document filed November 21, 2014 and Form 424B2 Prospectus Filed Pursuant to Rule 424, Filed Jan 22, 2015, by Sonoma Pharmaceuticals (Oculus Innovative Sciences then) for 6,250,000 Shares of Common Stock and Warrants to Purchase 4,687,500 of Common Stock. I drilled down through the prospectus (these statements would make an insomniac fall alseep) and came across a section entitled:
                            Current Regulatory Approvals and Clearances
                            The following table summarizes our current regulatory approvals and clearances:

                            http://ir.sonomapharma.com/secfiling...1019687-15-298

                            The table is set up to report Region or country (of clearance), Type of Clearance or Approval, Year of Approval or Clearance and Summary of the indication/approved use. Microcyn Technology is approved in some 19 countries and the European Union for cleaning, irrigation, moistening, debridement and removal of foreign material from wounds, sterilizing medical instruments, wound and burn management. Then before my tired eyes, under the country of Mexico, I found a product named Microdox 60, has Medical Approval as a Medical Device, issued in 2014, for an antiseptic solution for treatment of bladder and urinary tract infections (Microdox 60 "Registered Trademark"). The FDA (Food and Drug Administrartion)-like Mexican agency is the Comisin Federal para la Proteccin contra Riesgos Sanitarios (COFEPRIS). COFEPRIS has a large mandate, overseeing not only medical devices but also the safety and import of drug and food products into Mexico.

                            I also found that Microdox 60 bears the "CE Marking" (abbreviation of French phrase "Conformit Europene" which literally means "European Conformity") of the European Union. CE Marking on a product is a manufacturer's declaration that the product complies with the essential requirements of the relevant European health, safety and environmental protection legislation, in practice by many of the so-called *Product Directives
                            1. *Product Directives contains the "essential requirements" and/or "performance levels" and "Harmonized Standards" to which the products must conform. Harmonized Standards are the technical specifications (European Standards or Harmonization Documents) which are established by several European standards agencies (CEN, CENELEC, etc). CEN stands for European Committee for Standardization. CENELEC stands for European Committee for Electrotechnical Standardization.
                            2. CE Marking on a product indicates to governmental officials that the product may be legally placed on the market in their country.
                            3. CE Marking on a product ensures the free movement of the product within the EFTA & European Union (EU) single market (including totally 30 EEA countries),
                            4. CE Marking on a product permits the withdrawal of the non-conforming products by EEA customs and enforcement/vigilance authorities.

                            With this as an exciting lead, I searched the internet for Microdox 60 and found references in Australia and New Zealand.

                            In Australia, a medical supply and equipment company named BrightSky has the product named Microdox UTI (under the Oculus Innovative Sciences label) for sale for $19.99 AUS$ for a 500 ml bottle. You can see more information at this link:
                            http://www.brightsky.com.au/BrightSk...xUTI500ml.aspx

                            A New Zealand pharmaceutical company, TeArai BioPharma appears to have the license to produce Microdox 60 as a Urinary Medical Device. The website describes Microdox 60 and its usage (See below). https://www.microheal.co.nz/microdox There is a link to a Usage Card. I've attached an image of the card. https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/575e1...e97fe45900.pdf

                            From the TeArai BioPharma website about Microdox bladder and catheter irrigation solution:

                            Urinary Tract Infections (UTI)s are often painful infections of any part of your urinary system ? your kidneys, ureters, bladder and urethra.

                            UTIs are very common, especially in women and people that require catheter use.
                            * UTIs are the second most common type of infection

                            * Approximately 30% of people with SCI (Spinal Cord Injury) experience 3 or more UTIs each year
                            * UTIs are a key area of antibiotic use and antibiotic resistance
                            * UTI causing bacteria often form a biofilm - a collection of bacteria that are more difficult to manage
                            Practical information


                            Microdox is a ready to use, pH netural super-oxidised solution (SOS).
No mixing or preparation is required prior to use.
Microdox has an unopened shelf life of 24 months form manufacture.
Once opened use Microdox within 60 days.
It may be useful to record the opening date on the outside of the Microdox bottle.
Microdox has no special disposal requirements. Use or unused solution may be disposed of straight to drain or toilet.
The empty Microdox bottle may be included in recycling.
                            Use as directed and if symptoms persist see your health care professional
                            Bladder irrigation is mainly utilized in people requiring the use of catheters.
                            If bladder irrigation is new to you please consult your Urologist or other Healthcare Professional.
                            Microdox Super-oxidised solution (SOS) is a Medsafe* listed and TGA* registered Medical Device. Microdox bladder and catheter irrigation solution is use for the prevention and treatment of Urinary Tract Infection (UTI)


                            *Medsafe is the government of New Zealand Medicines and Medical Devices Safety Authority, responsible for the regulation of medicines and medical devices in New Zealand. They ensure that medicines and medical devices are acceptably safe.
                            *TGA is the Australian Government, Department of Health, Therapeutic Goods Administration. responsible for regulating therapeutic goods including prescription medicines, vaccines, sunscreens, vitamins and minerals, medical devices, blood and blood products. Almost any product for which therapeutic claims are made must be entered in the Australian Register of Therapeutic Goods (ARTG) before it can be supplied in Australia.

                            I contacted both BrightSky and MicroHeal and asked them to send me the ingredients list from the label of Microdox60. Essentially, the ingredients are the same as for Theracyn and HydroCleanse. Water: 98.837%, Sodium chloride: 0.010%, Sodium phosphate: 0.062%, Sodium sulfate: 1.082%, Ancillary substances: Hypochlorous acid: 0.009%.

                            This is all very new and enlightening information for me. Please note that the Microdox 60 Usage Card recommends an amount (50 cc), that few of use. Most of us use much less per instillation. As long as what you are using is working as you would like it to, I see no reason to change your routine. Further, I don't advocate using Microcyn Technology to try to cure a urinary tract infection (UTI). I know of one anecdotal case (Susanne Lewis's husband) who cured a UTI using 60 cc instillations of Microcyn every 4 hours around the clock. I would prefer to see anyone who presents with UTI symptoms to get to their primary care or urologist (who ever cares for these for you) and get a specimen to a lab for a urinalysis (UA) and culture & sensitivity (C&S) to find out which bacteria is causing the UTI and which antibiotic is most effective in killing that bacteria. Then, I suggest after taking a 12 to 14 day course of antibiotic that you get another UA and C&S to make sure the infection is cured. This is just good standard practice. Hopefully, however you won't be getting frequent and recurring UTIs when you try to prevent them with these instillations. And another note... daily instillations may not be necessary. You will need to experiment to find what works for you. Some people have reported using these instillations every time they intermittent cath. Some have reported using instillations once a day, some, every other day, some longer in between instillations.

                            One can ask the question, why don't Microdox 60 or other Microcyn Technology products have FDA (Food and Drug Administration) approval for use as an antiseptic solution for treatment of bladder and urinary tract infections? I don't know. Sonoma Pharmaceuticals doesn't take me into their confidence about their business plan. I've made a couple contacts (as have other Care Cure Community members) who on a limited basis will answer some questions. I can only speculate the approval process and trials required by the FDA are more expensive and burdensome than a rather small company can take on at this point in their corporate journey.

                            Note: The Vbulletin software doesn't allow for accent marks in foreign words. If the French and Mexican regulatory bodies identified above aren't spelled as speakers and readers of these languages would expect, it is because I removed the "?" this software substituted for diacritical markings, the registered trademark symbol or the "CE " symbol.

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                              To all who may be interested, the long thread about Microcyn Technology, originally started by Leila (Susanne Lewis) has been reopened and has some new and interesting news about the counterparts to the FDA in the United States in Mexico, New Zealand and Australia who have permitted the use of Microcyn Technology as a bladder flush, in the form of Microdox 60 and Microdox UTI. Check it out!

                              Thank you KLD for reopening this thread.

                              With best regards to all,
                              GJ

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                                Originally posted by lynnifer View Post
                                It was not proven in clinical trials ... how can you expect a researcher to host what turned out to be a giant advertisement for something with only anecdotal evidence?
                                Advertising? No if someone were advertising Microcyn they would post huge images of the product and repeatedly attack people who disagreed with him.

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