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    Oh yeah Shamrock. It'll kill all the digestive flora in your gut in a heartbeat. My ideal dosage (now only when I show symptoms) is 10CCs in my bladder NOT MORE than 5 minutes before I drain it out. Twice a day at most. Usually a single instillation does the trick for me.

    So, now you need to repopulate your gut like you do when taking strong ABX, yogurt, probiotics. I find my bowels recover in about 10 days.
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      It'll kill all the digestive flora in your gut in a heartbeat
      Evidence indicates that those who use the microcyn as a bladder flush have no problem with their bowels. Even some of those who keep it up there longer have not reported difficulty with their bowels. I guess it's an individual matter. But it's certainly not going to happen "in a heartbeat."

      What about you, Cap'n? How goes it with your bowels after using the Vetericyn?
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        Evidence indicates that those who use the microcyn as a bladder flush have no problem with their bowels. Even some of those who keep it up there longer have not reported difficulty with their bowels. I guess it's an individual matter. But it's certainly not going to happen "in a heartbeat."
        With two people out of four users from this site reporting problems, the evidence most certainly *does* indicate that people who use Microcyn/Vetericyn for bladder flushes can have related bowel problems.

        This is just one person's opinion, but being so dismissive about the onset of JenJen's Microcyn/Vetericyn-related bowel problems is offensive. You've accepted at face value (and applauded) all the positive things she's had to say, but the immediate onset of related bowel problems couldn't possibly happen? The outright refusal to acknowledge even the possibility that there could be side effects is where you lose me.

        My bet is that even if Microcyn/Vetericyn does cause the rapid onset diarrhea in some users, that's not going to prevent people from giving it a try. You run the same risk from antibiotics (especially IV abx), and at least the Microcyn/Vetericyn will kill (I assume) the bad flora like c. diff. off with the good.

        I want to know these risks so I can take steps to avoid them, or at least prepare myself for them. Waving the bad parts of anecdotal evidence away with unspecific claims of what "evidence" shows and/or making global claims that something won't happen is a real disservice.
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          SOME of ya in this thread need to GET A GRIP! Damn, we are offended easily, being wound so tight it detrimental to your health. I guess we offenders are just too damn confident this is a good thing and we are shouting it from the rooftops, since no animals are being killed, it's a small price to pay

          I don't think she was being dismissive, just noting that no one else has suffered this. And it is difficult to see how it traverses the bladder wall, bridges the gap and then traverses the intestinal wall and swims the 26 ft from one end to the other in short order.
          Was the entire bowel movement liquid or was the already processed food in the lower foot or so still solid and formed when it came out? How long was your bp after instillation? And all the other bp related questions/diet history/med history/etc....jumping the gun to point the finger immediately to V before checking all the myriad of factors related to D...seems reckless to me...

          Well, I've put 10cc twice in my bladder in the last week, and plug the cath, do acrobatics in the bed to ensure I get all the f'ers wet with MY poison >insert big evil grin here< serious...I picture them screaming in agony too....OH THE INHUMANITY....GAAK.... and had zero difference in my bp. I take a minute to check as I start to and arise from sleep. Grab n Go no meds to assist. So I would notice any change. I haven't left it in longer than 5 minutes or so, I don't time it and not to worried about it.

          I'm so thankful to have this stuff in my arsenal, I'm telling every person I talk to. And That's a lot 0 pH0aKz. I told a whole gaggle of women at the baseball game this evening. I forgot I had taken burn pictures and not downloaded them, so I was showing pics... lol.


          Here's a pic of the burn I've been promising... Spilled coffee wednesday morning about 10am
          took shower about 2 pm, and sprayed it with V and wore shorts rest of day, bandaged it with gauze that night after midnite, nothing else but V used for first two days. It is fresh from a shower and I rubbed a thin coat of neem oil/tepezcohuite salve as I do each two days. It lasts thru one shower, the yellow areas were deeper burns. Did it with hot coffee and worked a few hours cleaning a pond before I went to shower and change pants. I was at home and ya can't feel the wet...it's my coping mechanism for being a spill-a-holic all my life. Jeans rubbed most of the blister off. That which did not burst, reabsorbed in two days after I sprayed it with Vetericyn, I spray it at bandage change. It was after no blisters were left that I started rubbing the salve mix.

          This was a bad burn, worse than it seems here, it's just healing fast. Took about 2 months to heal last time I did it.This wound hasn't drained since about the 5th day. My hands are large and my leg is skinny, this is almost at my crotch, pic is cropped. I can't get over how fast it is healing, Outer areas are scar tissue now and will mostly disappear as Tepezcohuite heals w/o scars in most of my wound experience with it in last few years.
          Last edited by CapnGimp; 4 May 2010, 3:54 AM.

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            Originally posted by Leila View Post



            We have to take the problem of colonization and recurring infection very seriously. These organisms are fundamentally parasitic in nature, and they are living inside your body for one reason only--to feed themselves at your expense.


            Leila
            leila... i find your hyperbole annoying and boring. bacteria != parasites by any stretch of the imagination. yes they are a pain, but a parasite is a very different type of organism. parasites live off the host getting all their nutrients from said host. these include fleas, tapeworms etc (and yes even a fetus can be considered a parasite of sorts).

            bacteria are a class all to their own and live in EVERY habitat on earth. and no, i am not exaggerating. they have been found in the deepest parts of the ocean, to Antarctica, to geysers in yellowstone. the issue is that they are too good at their jobs and the body responds like it should to a foreign invader, hence the crappy feeling we get when infected. it is really quite simple yet, as my research indicates, so complex. but that's what millions of years of evolution gets you.

            that being said, leila, you already have ppl on your side. you dont need to give exaggerated statements to make your point. a good salesman knows when the audience is hooked and knows when to back off a bit. i know you are passionate but keep it in check. you dont need to make microcyn better than what it is, it can speak for itself and ppl are using it.

            Originally posted by Leila View Post
            Thanks JenJen,



            So, you don't keep the Microcyn in the bladder, because you're using a flushing technique--in and out. This dovetails nicely with what JenJen said about not keeping the Microcyn in the bladder too long because it affected her bowels. I think she has something there. There does seem to be evidence that under certain conditions there is a permeability of the bladder wall on the cellular level. So there most likely is something in the Microcyn that diffuses from the bladder into the intestines. This is just a guess here, but perhaps the hypochlorous acid, which functions as a vasodilator as well as a microbicide, is facilitating this diffusion. Thus, the intestinal flora would be reduced, and this would cause loose stool, etc.

            A small price to pay for conquering drug resistant bladder infections--but if you are skillful in your technique, as JenJen has learned to be, there's no problem.

            Take Care,

            Leila
            and now you say:
            Evidence indicates that those who use the microcyn as a bladder flush have no problem with their bowels. Even some of those who keep it up there longer have not reported difficulty with their bowels. I guess it's an individual matter. But it's certainly not going to happen "in a heartbeat."

            so, which is it?

            that being said, i try microcyn tomorrow.
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              Originally posted by CapnGimp View Post
              And it is difficult to see how it traverses the bladder wall, bridges the gap and then traverses the intestinal wall and swims the 26 ft from one end to the other in short order.
              I have to agree with you here, even though it can be possible that some are susceptible to get diarrhea when using it, I am not convinced at all that said diarrhea is caused by interference with the microflora of the intestinal tract. It could be a totally different mechanism or just anecdotal and not related to Vetericyn use.

              As for bacteria being parasites, cryptic is right, not the case, moreover, we could not live without them (much more on us than human cells), they just get where they don't belong sometimes and wreck havoc.

              Good luck to all of us in our early experimentations, I for one will only use it when needed for now and do an in/out 60 ml flush. I may use it in prophylaxis in the future, something like once a week.
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                Originally posted by JGNI View Post
                I have to agree with you here, even though it can be possible that some are susceptible to get diarrhea when using it, I am not convinced at all that said diarrhea is caused by interference with the microflora of the intestinal tract. It could be a totally different mechanism or just anecdotal and not related to Vetericyn use.

                As for bacteria being parasites, cryptic is right, not the case, moreover, we could not live without them (much more on us than human cells), they just get where they don't belong sometimes and wreck havoc.

                Good luck to all of us in our early experimentations, I for one will only use it when needed for now and do an in/out 60 ml flush. I may use it in prophylaxis in the future, something like once a week.
                dont forget that they help make cheese. i love cheese..... ok back on topic.
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                  I sure would like to be able to get my hands on some of this stuff for Bill

                  Will someone please post a link when they find some place to order from in Canada? I'm a pretty thorough googler and I can't find one anywhere.

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                    I personally think there is a connection between keeping the microcyn in the bladder too long and having the bowels affected. That's why I used the term "flush", which is an "in and out" procedure. I said those using it as a "flush" have not reported any bowel problems. Flush, rinse, irrigate, but not instill. You probably don't need to hold it in there much more than thirty seconds, since that is the kill time for microcyn. but you do need to repeat the flush a second time in one day. Some do the double flush again the next day. Having said that (more than once), I think people should feel free to experiment in order to find what is best for them.

                    As far as parasites go, yes I would agree that microorganisms are not technically defined as parasites. But, under certain conditions they are most certainly parasitic. When they infect the human body, this is how they affect our system. I am using the term broadly here, as an adjective not a noun. You have to be more circumspect to get my drift.

                    I am not in any sense of the word a salesman. Unlike a salesman, I did not come here to gain anything. I came here because my heart led me this way.

                    I deal with "anecdotal" later. I don't have time for this.
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                      Originally posted by Obieone View Post
                      I sure would like to be able to get my hands on some of this stuff for Bill

                      Will someone please post a link when they find some place to order from in Canada? I'm a pretty thorough googler and I can't find one anywhere.

                      Obieone
                      This was posted above...

                      This is info on the Canadian distrobutor

                      Canadian Distributor
                      .................................................. ...................................

                      Vancouver Surgical
                      8415 Granville Street,
                      Box 62
                      Vancouver, BC V6P 4Z9
                      Telephone: 604-818-4847
                      Toll Free: 1-866-899-1336
                      FAX: 604-207-1097
                      Email: sales@vancouversurgical.com
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                        Yes I saw that rcescher but apparently they aren't supplying any longer.


                        Originally posted by JGNI View Post
                        As I said on another post, I called Vancouver Surgical and they are not a distributor of Microcyn anymore.
                        Obieone
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                          Obie, JGNI found a seller who will ship to Canada (might have even been someone on eBay). He should be able to point you in the right direction.. Shoot a PM to him and you should have your answer as soon as he signs on. :-)
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                            This place will ship Vetericyn to Canada.

                            http://www.tscpets.com/vewointrforc.html
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                              Reporting back to the troops:
                              I got my hands on some Vetericyn. My parents brought 3 bottles across the border on their way back from Florida with no hassle. Each bottle was $44 for 16 oz. I'm going to try and find it cheaper but I didn't want to send them on a hunting expedition. It was still cheaper than having it delivered up here.

                              I did my first flush Sunday afternoon with 60 cc. I left it in for 10 minutes while I rolled around trying to make sure it got into every nook and cranny. There was immediate results in clarity and reduced sediment. Second flush was Monday morning with less than 60 cc (probably closer to 40 - I'm trying to use it sparingly cuz it's so expensive). Pretty much all signs of infection had disappeared except the urine still has a slight infected scent. I did a third flush Monday night with 60 cc. I left it in for about half an hour while I got ready to go to bed.

                              So now my urine is crystal clear, mitro-related mucus is down to almost none, but my urine still has a slight infected scent. So, I'm not sure if the infection is completely gone. Any insights from our experienced users?

                              I'm using the spray before each cath as a preventative measure. I may do a once-a-week flush for maintenance.

                              So far I'm very impressed with the results.

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                                Originally posted by SCIfor55yrs. View Post
                                This place will ship Vetericyn to Canada.

                                http://www.tscpets.com/vewointrforc.html
                                Yes, and many others will ship too. I bought mine from Arcatapet (suggested by Capn in his early posts I think), they ship ExpressMail, 38.50$ for 2 bottles. Shipped on April 10th, received April 16th. Obieone, buy the 16 oz bottles, much more for the money.

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