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    Thanks GJ.

    I understand that vvf should be used before the expiry date. But my question is, once opened, is there any restriction like for example, it should be used within one month of opening VVF ??

    New.name

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      Originally posted by new.name View Post
      Thanks GJ.

      I understand that vvf should be used before the expiry date. But my question is, once opened, is there any restriction like for example, it should be used within one month of opening VVF ??

      New.name
      The question in their FAQs just speaks to using it before the expiry date.

      I tend to use up Vetericyn before the expiry date open or unopened, and before the one month date after opening that you mention that is marked on the Microcyn bottle. So for me it is not an issue.

      I understand the logic of your question. Since Microcyn and Vetericyn are essentially the same formulation (Vetericyn VF is about double the strength), then one might assume that the product should be used within one month from the date the bottle was opened. You might try contacting Oculus Innovative Sciences to ask your question.

      All the best,
      GJ
      Last edited by gjnl; 23 Apr 2014, 2:48 PM.

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        The thing Occulus did with electrolyzed water was to figure out how to keep it stable, so it will be fine as long as you don't leave the bottle open. I instill using a 60 ml plastic syringe, and set the Vetericyn nozzle to stream and squirt it directly into the tip of the syringe, after drawing it down to the 30 ml line to put in 20 ml. Twenty squirts equal 20 ml.
        Don - Grad Student Emeritus
        T3 ASIA A 27 years post injury

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          Thank you so much GJ, DONNO.

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            I take off the plunger and spray from the 16 oz bottle straight to the syringe, I shut it with a side of my finger. Does anyone else do that. Is there a problem shutting the tip with my finger so that the liquid doesnt dribble out?
            T6 complete (or so I think), SCI since September 21, 2003

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              Shouldn't be a problem. Have you tried leaving the plunger in and spraying it into the tip of the syringe? I just put the two tight together and use the stream selection.
              Don - Grad Student Emeritus
              T3 ASIA A 27 years post injury

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                My wife found a flip-top that would fit the Puracyn/Vetericyn bottle. I just removed the spray attachment (a job) and put my flip-top cap on. I just pour out 20 ml into my 30 ml cup and draw it out with a 60 ml plunger type syringe. No problems at all and I am a C5-C6 quad.

                I hope this helps.
                Millard
                ''Life's tough... it's even tougher if you're stupid!'' -- John Wayne

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                  There seems to happen some change here in Germany. The pharmacy where I ordered my Dermacyn told me, it's not on the market any more. They will send me a follow-up product (forgot the name, and it is 23 instead of 17 Euros for the Dermacyn). But at the same time I found that the Vetericyn is finally available. Is there a difference between Vetericyn and Vetericyn VF? Most products say "gel": I guess I need to look for the liquid instead. Prices range between 39 Euros at an internet-pharmacy in Germany called "petmeds" and over 100 at amazon.de. I ordered 2 at "petmeds" and hope they will come tomorrow. Maybe then I should buy more in case they adjust their price to amazon. I don't understand why they differ so much, even if it is the same product.
                  If I will use the Vetericyn instead of the Dermacyn, will I need less? Otherwise the costs would be hard to swallow...

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                    Originally posted by Regine View Post
                    There seems to happen some change here in Germany. The pharmacy where I ordered my Dermacyn told me, it's not on the market any more. They will send me a follow-up product (forgot the name, and it is 23 instead of 17 Euros for the Dermacyn). But at the same time I found that the Vetericyn is finally available. Is there a difference between Vetericyn and Vetericyn VF? Most products say "gel": I guess I need to look for the liquid instead. Prices range between 39 Euros at an internet-pharmacy in Germany called "petmeds" and over 100 at amazon.de. I ordered 2 at "petmeds" and hope they will come tomorrow. Maybe then I should buy more in case they adjust their price to amazon. I don't understand why they differ so much, even if it is the same product.
                    If I will use the Vetericyn instead of the Dermacyn, will I need less? Otherwise the costs would be hard to swallow...
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                    Difference between Vetericyn VF and Vetericyn
                    Vetericyn VF (Liquid Wound and Skin Care)
                    .011% Hypochlorous Acid
                    99.816% Water
                    0.023% Sodium Chloride
                    0.15% Sodium Phosphate

                    Vetericyn (Liquid Wound and Skin Care)
                    0.003 Hypochlorous Acid
                    99.97% Water
                    0.023% Sodium Chloride
                    0.004% Sodium Hypochlorite

                    If you are using Vetericyn or Vetericyn VF for bladder instillation, you will find that the liquid is easier to use than the hydrogel formulations. As for using less, keep in mind that you need to use a certain amount of liquid to cover the walls, nooks and folds in the bladder. You might be able to dilute Vetericyn VF with saline to get enough liquid into the bladder, but you will have to experiment with what level of dilution works for you.

                    You may want to contact:
                    SastoMed, Germany
                    +49540183630
                    http://www.sanderstrothmann.de/

                    Oculus Innovative Sciences has partnered with this company in Germany. They may be able to tell you more about the availability status of Dermacyn. I did a little searching and I am seeing a product name show up that I have not seen before. It is called Microdacyn60. Maybe this product has replaced Dermacyn in Europe. Let us know what you uncover.

                    All the best,
                    GJ
                    Last edited by gjnl; 29 Apr 2014, 5:42 PM.

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                      As I read this, the parcel service brought exactly that Mycrodacyn60 (as the follow up product of Dermacyn), same bottle, just 6 Euro more. Maybe I shop around a bit for other pharmacies, but I doubt to find it cheaper. The Vetericyn VF from "petsmeds" hasn't come yet. - Thanks for the info, it's helpful.
                      - No, just found the Microdacyn60 in another pharmacy actually cheaper than the Dermacyn before. They offer 990 ml for 28 Euros. That sounds reasonable. Just have to switch pharmacies, and then occasionally add the Vetericyn VF when there are more bacteria. Hope it will come soon.
                      Last edited by Regine; 30 Apr 2014, 9:29 AM.

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                        A personal update. 9 weeks without antibiotics, urine analysis yesterday was clean. Sticking mostly with spraying the meatus and catheter, with an occasional instillation of 10 or 20 cc. Very happy that my infection did not show up on this analysis.
                        T6 complete (or so I think), SCI since September 21, 2003

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                          Hey everyone :-)

                          so it's been over a year since I posted on here. The reason is............................I HAVE NOT HAD ONE INFECTION AT ALL SINCE I HAD MY SUPRAPUBIC CATH REMOVED, STARTED STRAIGHT CATHING AGAIN, AND USING VETERICYN !!!!!!!!!.

                          i am over the moon on the change in my system since the start of using the product :-) when I first started with it, I was flushing my bladder every couple days. Once I started having perfect C and S tests come back I actually switched my routine. What I do now is I will use a wet ones antibacterial wipe to clean the area first cath of the day, spray a silicone catheter with the vf instead of using lube, then alternate the next catheter to a prelubed either lofric or speedicath, and I alternate this way through out the day. I have only flushed my bladder once in the last six months, but other than that one time, I've just been spraying every other catheter. It's so amazing because I was having infections every couple weeks to a month, had gone septic I don't know how many times landing me in the hospital, then I had a staph infection that lasted 1 1/2 yrs around my SP, which was the reason it had to be removed, also the hole would not heal when it was removed causing me to have part of my bladder removed as well as part of my abdomen, which was a major surgery. Now my urologist and infectious disease drs are probably wondering where Idisappeared to because they have not seen me in so long :-) I am so excited to be giving this update to you all, because to me, after fighting constant infections, it has been truly incredible and I've actually been able to get a bit of my immune system back working since it's not working overtime constantly, considering I already also have hashimotos and Graves' disease, which already compromise my immunity.

                          so yay, I can honestly say, this treatment has truly changed my life xoxo

                          Bobbie :-)
                          BobbieLee
                          SCI from L5 to S2-S3, complete Cauda Equina Syndrome , symptoms from waist to feet, as well and as far up to the stomach. Spinal cord surgery for removal of tumor Jan 2009

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                            Good News and Congratulations!

                            Oculus Innovative Sciences is putting together a trail that would have participants spray into the urethra and spray the lubed catheter each time they cath. Hope they have the kind of success that you report.

                            All the best,
                            GJ

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                              I think they may have contacted my urologist about the trial, as they emailed me asking if they could have his name and I gave them the info, so maybe he will be a part of it :-)
                              BobbieLee
                              SCI from L5 to S2-S3, complete Cauda Equina Syndrome , symptoms from waist to feet, as well and as far up to the stomach. Spinal cord surgery for removal of tumor Jan 2009

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                                Vetericyn - South Africa

                                Hi,

                                Does anyone here know where to source this in South Africa?

                                Thanks.

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