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  • #16
    Originally posted by fuentejps
    GREAT FLICK. i think it just showed what a quad can be. i mean seriously, u cant make a movie about a high dependant quad, they cant do anything, it doesnt inspire anybody. no offense.
    this movie showed guys in relationships, getting laid and living good, fun and productive lives..
    Yes you can.

    Rory O'Shea Was Here.

    Great Film and story. Not contrived or with forced and manufactured sympathy. Not a "feel good" story about tough strong quads living the good life, but funny, sad, touching, and sometimes brutal, glimpse into lives of 2 tough kick ass crips who just have to deal....

    You don't need Crips to shout out how great and independent they are, to "prove" their strength and worth....

    Many simply live it and reveal their strength in quiet but undeniably powerful ways.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by chick
      Yes you can.

      Rory O'Shea Was Here.

      Great Film and story. Not contrived or with forced and manufactured sympathy. Not a "feel good" story about tough strong quads living the good life, but funny, sad, touching, and sometimes brutal, glimpse into lives of 2 tough kick ass crips who just have to deal....
      But did they win a shiny trophy at the end of the movie?

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      • #18
        Murderball is a good thing because it got a lot of people to come out and play rugby that wouldn't have otherwise.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by fuentejps
          GREAT FLICK. i think it just showed what a quad can be. i mean seriously, u cant make a movie about a high dependant quad, they cant do anything, it doesnt inspire anybody. no offense.
          this movie showed guys in relationships, getting laid and living good, fun and productive lives..
          I am wondering: is this need of yours to put down and disparage anybody who doesn't fit into your deluded view of "the super quad" something pathological? Or is it just plain old fashioned rudeness?

          Just a question from somebody who "can't do anything"....

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Jeff B
            But did they win a shiny trophy at the end of the movie?
            No, actually Rory dies at the end.

            I was up late one night recently and saw a movie with Wesley Snipes, Helen Hunt and other pretty good actors about life in a rehab facility. It was pretty interesting eventhough I feel a little uncomfortable when movies show a bit too much about our lives to AB people. In one scene he is making love to his girlfriend and the bag leaks and he pisses all over the bed. Yikes. Still an interesting, emotional movie to me.
            T6 complete (or so I think), SCI since September 21, 2003

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            • #21
              i enjoyed the movie and the fact that it showed that some quads can still play organized sports.. after the screening Mark Zupan was there for a Q and A. what a terrible speaker he is.. being a graduate of Georgia Tech, you'd think that he could get thru his answers w/o so much profanity. after seeing the guys on Larry King and other things, i really lost interest in them.





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              • #22
                Originally posted by orangejello
                I am wondering: is this need of yours to put down and disparage anybody who doesn't fit into your deluded view of "the super quad" something pathological? Or is it just plain old fashioned rudeness?

                Just a question from somebody who "can't do anything"....
                NOT PUTTING ANYONE DOWN, JUST THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX. AGAIN JUST MY OPINION.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by fuentejps
                  NOT PUTTING ANYONE DOWN, JUST THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX. AGAIN JUST MY OPINION.
                  But it's your opinion about what? Humour me for a moment here and please explain what "can't do anything" entails? Because I don't understand that part of your "opinion." What do you think a person should be able to do that would make their life "important" or "interesting" in your eyes?

                  I am actually very interested in hearing what you can offer in response. What's the most important part of a person--their body or their mind? Is it better to be able to wipe up your own feces than to get a graduate degree? The types of quads you are sterotyping can do one, but not the other. Is that "not being able to do anything?"

                  Just one example. I am sure you will refute this and any others I could offer you.
                  Last edited by orangejello; 10-26-2006, 03:21 PM.

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                  • #24
                    If you can't flop yourself into a wheelchair like a sack of meat and run your wheelchair into other wheelchairs hard then you are boring.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by orangejello
                      But it's your opinion about what? Humour me for a moment here and please explain what "can't do anything" entails? Because I don't understand that part of your "opinion." What do you think a person should be able to do that would make their life "important" or "interesting" in your eyes?

                      I am actually very interested in hearing what you can offer in response. What's the most important part of a person--their body or their mind? Is it better to be able to wipe up your own feces than to get a graduate degree? The types of quads you are sterotyping can do one, but not the other. Is that "not being able to do anything?"

                      Just one example. I am sure you will refute this and any others I could offer you.
                      MY POINT. THE MURDERBALL GUYS AND GUYS LIKE THEM ARE MORE INSPIRING TO MAINSTREAM SOCIETY. U CERTAINLY CANT ARGUE THAT.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by fuentejps
                        MY POINT. THE MURDERBALL GUYS AND GUYS LIKE THEM ARE MORE INSPIRING TO MAINSTREAM SOCIETY. U CERTAINLY CANT ARGUE THAT.
                        I see you didn't answer my question lol. That's okay. That was what I expected from you.

                        But for the record I didn't ask you who was more inspiring. I asked you what "can't do anything" means.

                        Actually I would argue with your above assertion. The people I saw the film with (one C six quad and three able bodied people) certainly didn't seem all that inspired by it. I wasn't all that inspired by it then and I am still not inspired by it. Some people were, and that is great. How many able bodied viewers would say they were truly inspired by it, I don't know. And I am guessing you don't either. We could both speculate and generalize, but that is all.

                        It's great that people like Zupan do what they do. All the power to them. But as somebody else already pointed out, there are many more ways of being inspirational than being able to throw around a velcro ball and bash your chair into somebody else (I am guessing I will take flack for this statement, but oh well). I am not putting down quad rugby players or fans. You can certainly argue that quad rugby is a way to achieve goals, collect experiences, and inspire others. It is one way. But it's not the only way and it's in the eye of the beholder whether or not it is the best way. For Mark Zupan it might be. For others, quad rugby means nothing. I am guessing for a large portion of the able bodied population, it actually does mean nothing in their universe. And so what?

                        I am much more inspired by people like trainman and Brooke Ellison than I am by the people profiled in murder ball. And I would venture that asked the question, many able bodied people would find finishing college degrees and devoting yourself to helping others--as both these individuals have done--as much more inspirational than playing quad rugby, even if it is played at a world class level.

                        (Sorry J. for dragging you into this.)
                        Last edited by orangejello; 10-26-2006, 04:18 PM.

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                        • #27
                          I expect that the basis for much of the above discussion lies in the diversity of the SCI population. It covers the gamut, from those who go to a demolition derby to those who would rather go to the ballet; workouts at the gym to writing a Ph.D. thesis; gold medals to Nobel prizes.
                          No-one is spared, dammit, but take your inspiration from wherever you can get it.
                          - Richard

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by 2jazzyjeff
                            i enjoyed the movie and the fact that it showed that some quads can still play organized sports.. after the screening Mark Zupan was there for a Q and A. what a terrible speaker he is.. being a graduate of Georgia Tech, you'd think that he could get thru his answers w/o so much profanity. after seeing the guys on Larry King and other things, i really lost interest in them.
                            I agree, he sounds like an idiot.

                            I met Andy Cones and Scott Hogsett in Phoenix and they acted like
                            they didn't want to be there.

                            Good movie though.

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                            • #29
                              no what orangejello is saying is..SCI c4 and with no ability to move can do things still..either way she could still not use her brains or movement, shes beautiful..she can just go off and win beauty contest

                              Originally posted by rfbdorf
                              I expect that the basis for much of the above discussion lies in the diversity of the SCI population. It covers the gamut, from those who go to a demolition derby to those who would rather go to the ballet; workouts at the gym to writing a Ph.D. thesis; gold medals to Nobel prizes.
                              No-one is spared, dammit, but take your inspiration from wherever you can get it.
                              - Richard
                              http://www.myspace.com/pdm92485

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by orangejello
                                I am much more inspired by people like trainman and Brooke Ellison than I am by the people profiled in murder ball. And I would venture that asked the question, many able bodied people would find finishing college degrees and devoting yourself to helping others--as both these individuals have done--as much more inspirational than playing quad rugby, even if it is played at a world class level.

                                (Sorry J. for dragging you into this.)

                                I hear you. People like Brooke Ellison and Jesse Bilar (sic) should be applauded for their bravery, perseverance and compassion. they both have continue to further awareness of the injury in a positive light and spotlight and raise funds for potential restorative therapies.

                                So what if a few guys can throw ball back and forth -- regardless of disability or whatever -- but aggravates me about some of these folks is that they continue with the injury is" no big deal" and stereotype many of us as risktakers/alcoholics who fell the wrong way... no one is perfect and I'm sure everyone has had their fair share of indiscretions, but.instead all I saw in their interviews was a show of bravado -- and inflated egos.

                                it would've been nice if they mentioned at least once nationally about research and rehabilitation of the injury.
                                But that's just my take --

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